Off Topic Major incident in Southport

[Smug in Boots]

Clarkson doesn't bother me one way or the other, he's just sort of there. He doesn't hide his Tory leanings so that makes him unpalatable to some people. I'd be very surprised if there weren't any Labour-approved celebrities out there who hadn't made investments intended to reduce the amount of tax they pay. The farmers' argument that most farms are asset rich but don't have high turnover, and the government haven't taken that into account, is a reasonable one. Clarkson, at least, is supporting an industry that he's come to know something about so good for him.

His political leanings have nothing to do with my opinion of him.

I'm just not keen on people who shout their high principles to the rooftops …

… while clearly lying through their hypocritical teeth.

It’s amazing that so many people, he instinctively looks down on, hero worship him. Like many of his friends he’s clearly happy to dodge as much tax as possible while decrying the lack of money to police and lock up anyone he finds irritating.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Nope. Wouldn't discount anyone's comments (might argue with them, mind!). I can understand the sentiment that he's hypocritical, I was just saying I think the farmers have a fair argument and I think it's fair enough that he's supporting them. The politics stuff was just a comment on some people seemingly disliking him because of his politics.

A message from a REAL farmer who hasn’t been brainwashed by the Tories, wealthy landowners and the right wing media

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[The Norton Cat]

His political leanings have nothing to do with my opinion of him.

I'm just not keen on people who shout their high principles to the rooftops …

… while clearly lying through their hypocritical teeth.

It’s amazing that so many people, he instinctively looks down on, hero worship him. Like many of his friends he’s clearly happy to dodge as much tax as possible while decrying the lack of money to police and lock up anyone he finds irritating.

Well, good for you. He clearly is a hypocrite. Doesn't mean that he's wrong to support a large group of people who are clearly worried about their future though, does it?

 

[The Norton Cat]

A message from a REAL farmer who hasn’t been brainwashed by the Tories, wealthy landowners and the right wing media

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So who is this person? What are their credentials? What makes them more correct than the thousands of people that are worried about this? Surely if people are genuinely worried about something like this, it's correct to listen to their concerns, rather than call them brainwashed?

 

[Smug in Boots]

Well, good for you. He clearly is a hypocrite. Doesn't mean that he's wrong to support a large group of people who are clearly worried about their future though, does it?

I’d bet big money he wouldn’t dream of supporting them financially, tbh putting his face in front of a TV camera is what he lives for …

… it’s hardly the Jarrow march

Besides my original point is that they’ve chosen the wrong poster boy to ‘support them’ …

… he couldn’t give the public a worse example of cheating landowners who buy up hundreds of acres with little intention of actually producing the food we need or paying farm workers a decent wage.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

So who is this person? What are their credentials? What makes them more correct than the thousands of people that are worried about this? Surely if people are genuinely worried about something like this, it's correct to listen to their concerns, rather than call them brainwashed?

As it says on the tin

 

[Blond Bombshell]

I’d bet big money he wouldn’t dream of supporting them financially, tbh putting his face in front of a TV camera is what he lives for …

… it’s hardly the Jarrow march

Besides my original point is that they’ve chosen the wrong poster boy to ‘support them’ …

… he couldn’t give the public a worse example of cheating landowners who buy up hundreds of acres with little intention of actually producing the food we need or paying farm workers a decent wage.

They've chosen the wrong target, Inheritance Tax is good for farming...

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[The Norton Cat]

I’d bet big money he wouldn’t dream of supporting them financially, tbh putting his face in front of a TV camera is what he lives for …

… it’s hardly the Jarrow march

Besides my original point is that they’ve chosen the wrong poster boy to ‘support them’ …

… he couldn’t give the public a worse example of cheating landowners who buy up hundreds of acres with little intention of actually producing the food we need or paying farm workers a decent wage.

I'm not entirely sure why that's funny. There are plenty of people who appear to be concerned about this issue so supporting them isn't a bad thing in itself. Even if he has a vested interest. You are right though, he is the wrong poster boy because the people that need to be convinced won't listen to someone like him.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I'm not entirely sure why that's funny. There are plenty of people who appear to be concerned about this issue so supporting them isn't a bad thing in itself. Even if he has a vested interest. You are right though, he is the wrong poster boy because the people that need to be convinced won't listen to someone like him.

It’s funny because Clarkson’s ‘support’ is laughable in my opinion. He’s standing around, with people he probably goes shooting with, talking to Victoria Derbyshire. As I’ve said it’s not exactly going on hunger strike or chaining himself to the railings outside the Ministry of Agriculture …

… not hilarious but mildly amusing imo.

The issue isn’t laughable but Clarkson is a performing clown who thinks he’s witty.

 

[The Norton Cat]

They've chosen the wrong target, Inheritance Tax is good for farming...

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Hmm. There are some pretty big things that he leaves out here mind. He's certainly right about what the problems are for farmers but the question "why are farmers complaining about inheritance tax?" is a bit daft. It's pretty clear that the inheritance tax has the potential, under the current circumstances, to eat further into the income of farms if or when they are passed on. He's a bit misleading about the value of farmland too. It's not just valuable because it can be used to avoid inheritance tax. Some farmland has value because it can built on, for example. He also completely misses the point about farming families wanting to retain farms that have been in families for generations. What he should be saying is inheritance tax could be good for farming under a particular set of circumstances which don't currently exist. It is just the tip of the iceberg though. That's fair.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Hmm. There are some pretty big things that he leaves out here mind. He's certainly right about what the problems are for farmers but the question "why are farmers complaining about inheritance tax?" is a bit daft. It's pretty clear that the inheritance tax has the potential, under the current circumstances, to eat further into the income of farms if or when they are passed on. He's a bit misleading about the value of farmland too. It's not just valuable because it can be used to avoid inheritance tax. Some farmland has value because it can built on, for example. He also completely misses the point about farming families wanting to retain farms that have been in families for generations. What he should be saying is inheritance tax could be good for farming under a particular set of circumstances which don't currently exist. It is just the tip of the iceberg though. That's fair.

Not wanting to be rude, but he did cover off at the end that Inheritance Tax is good for farming

 

[Smug in Boots]

Hmm. There are some pretty big things that he leaves out here mind. He's certainly right about what the problems are for farmers but the question "why are farmers complaining about inheritance tax?" is a bit daft. It's pretty clear that the inheritance tax has the potential, under the current circumstances, to eat further into the income of farms if or when they are passed on. He's a bit misleading about the value of farmland too. It's not just valuable because it can be used to avoid inheritance tax. Some farmland has value because it can built on, for example. He also completely misses the point about farming families wanting to retain farms that have been families for generations. What he should be saying is inheritance tax could be good for farming under a particular set of circumstances which don't currently exist. It is just the tip of the iceberg though. That's fair.

Otherwise known as the real world tbh.

Many farmers continually moaned about Europe and the majority voted to leave …

… now the majority say Brexit was a bad thing and continually moaning about it.

They seem to like a good moan and don’t like paying tax tbh.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Not wanting to be rude, but he did cover off at the end that Inheritance Tax is good for farming

Yeah, I know he said that. I'm disagreeing with him.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Otherwise known as the real world tbh.

Many farmers continually moaned about Europe and the majority voted to leave …

… now the majority say Brexit was a bad thing and continually moaning about it.

They seem to like a good moan and don’t like paying tax tbh.

They certainly do. Mind you, if you were in a position where you believed you wouldn't have to pay inheritance tax and believed that it would have big consequences on you or children's livelihood if you did, and all that suddenly changed, I can understand why you'd be concerned about it.

 

[rooch 3]

Somebody mentioned it was a disgrace paying farmers £24.000 in subsidies, it’s easy to put that right, stop the subsidies and pay the proper price for your food.
I wonder if you would be winging then?

 

[Pure River Slut]

So who is this person? What are their credentials? What makes them more correct than the thousands of people that are worried about this? Surely if people are genuinely worried about something like this, it's correct to listen to their concerns, rather than call them brainwashed?

I have concerns about the winter payments and the low cut off so it’s quite possible they haven’t exactly got this right, but let’s be honest about this, you only have to see fields at election time to see which political side the farmers take and it’s an obvious assumption that much of this is political. People with most need to pay the biggest share or our services nosedive. That’s a reality. Tax is not a dirty word, it makes our country function effectively. People sit moaning about A and E and moan about tax at the same time. Farage in the city dressed in country attire - embarrassing. Clarkson and Dyson who owned up to anti social tax avoidance - embarassing. People don’t have the right to more money and less taxes. Make fair representation to government through the channels of engagement but don’t stand cheering on people who aren’t paying their way for everyone’s services and who don’t even turn up to their own constituency because of risk but waltz around the streets of America and central London.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Non-farmers were responsible for 56 per cent of farmland purchases last year

With 400,000 hectares of agricultural land taken out of use for farming in the same year

Experts link this to financial advice that recommends the potential tax breaks of investing in farmland

The London Economic

 

[The Norton Cat]

Non-farmers were responsible for 56 per cent of farmland purchases last year

With 400,000 hectares of agricultural land taken out of use for farming in the same year

Experts link this to financial advice that recommends the potential tax breaks of investing in farmland

The London Economic

See the farming thread.

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

If you’re ever going to aim an angry tweet at someone, I’d urge you to stop and remember that stomping on their head will get you the same sentence so do that instead

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g39drrjwyo

 

[alcoauth]

If you’re ever going to aim an angry tweet at someone, I’d urge you to stop and remember that stomping on their head will get you the same sentence so do that instead
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g39drrjwyo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g39drrjwyo

The court heard Khalile was part of a group of men that were shouting ''white racist scum'' as they ran down the street and targeted the man.

If this leads to head stamping, how is this not dehumanisation? Put people beyond unforgivable contempt in your mind and eliminating or hurting them becomes righteous or necessary.