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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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Asking for ideas from the great British public
As bad as absolving themselves from any responsibility of hard choices with a referendum
NHS mcnhs face anybody
 
sb_73 said:
Update. Mother in law is STILL in hospital, as they haven’t got the care package which would enable her to go home together, despite having over a week allegedly working on it.

Meanwhile, she has developed a pressure sore, which my wife had to bring to the attention of the nursing staff. So clinical care stepping up to the ‘it’s a ****show’ plate.

I’m pondering a carefully worded response to Wes Streeting’s pleas for idea from absolutely anyone, but doubtless the person who is employed removing the jokey responses would also take offence at mine. Go on, have a go, your chance to have a say!

https://change.nh.uk/en-GB/
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Here we go Wes...
  • Nationalise GPs and pharmacies
  • Scrap internal market
  • Integrate social care within the NHS
  • Use private sector to clear waiting lists whilst increasing capacity within the NHS
  • Pay doctors and nurses sufficiently well to stop them going abroad
  • Expand preventative screening
You're welcome.
 
Stroller said:
Here we go Wes...
  • Nationalise GPs and pharmacies
  • Scrap internal market
  • Integrate social care within the NHS
  • Use private sector to clear waiting lists whilst increasing capacity within the NHS
  • Pay doctors and nurses sufficiently well to stop them going abroad
  • Expand preventative screening
You're welcome.
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Have you posted it? And I think you might have confused the Labour government with socialists.
 
Of the 122 million appointments booked last year (2021/22), around 6.4% were missed – around 7.8 million appointments a year and around 650,000 a month. Every appointment freed up could be used to see other patients, including those who have been waiting the longest for an appointment or treatment.
 
sb_73 said:
Have you posted it? And I think you might have confused the Labour government with socialists.
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I haven't posted it, but I will. You never know.....

Just did the survey, but it was quite limiting. Mostly tick-box with little opportunity to go 'outside of the box'.
 
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Streeting says he will vote against the assisted dying bill because (I paraphrase) ‘the NHS palliative care service is too **** to deliver euthanasia’. He thinks people would be coerced by the lack of decent palliative care into taking the euthanasia option, so they shouldn’t be allowed a choice until palliative care is fixed. Most of Labours promises seem to be in a ten year time frame, so how many people will die painful, undignified deaths without the option of exercising control over their last moments before this little twat fixes things to his own satisfaction?

Jesus ****ing Christ almighty. You are meant to be voting on a principle, not an implementation policy. Beginning to take an intense dislike to this bloke, even before I read about his fiancée being given a £100k job in the Labour Party after he ****ed up his free gift chance to become an MP in that Tory stronghold, Stockton in Tees.

100 Labour MPs have still not made up their mind on this issue. Many because they don’t want to upset Starmer and lose a job opportunity, allegedly, so they are waiting for him to tell them what to do. An overwhelming majority of their constituents have made their mind up in favour of course, but they can be ignored.
 
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sb_73 said:
Streeting says he will vote against the assisted dying bill because (I paraphrase) ‘the NHS palliative care service is too **** to deliver euthanasia’. He thinks people would be coerced by the lack of decent palliative care into taking the euthanasia option, so they shouldn’t be allowed a choice until palliative care is fixed. Most of Labours promises seem to be in a ten year time frame, so how many people will die painful, undignified deaths without the option of exercising control over their last moments before this little twat fixes things to his own satisfaction?

Jesus ****ing Christ almighty. You are meant to be voting on a principle, not an implementation policy. Beginning to take an intense dislike to this bloke, even before I read about his fiancée being given a £100k job in the Labour Party after he ****ed up his free gift chance to become an MP in that Tory stronghold, Stockton in Tees.

100 Labour MPs have still not made up their mind on this issue. Many because they don’t want to upset Starmer and lose a job opportunity, allegedly, so they are waiting for him to tell them what to do. An overwhelming majority of their constituents have made their mind up in favour of course, but they can be ignored.
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I think Streeting is an extremely impressive Health Secretary with an excellent grasp of the issues facing the NHS and I'm confident that he will make big improvements whilst in this role. I do think he's wrong to oppose the assisted dying bill, though. I sincerely hope that this bill passes, not least because I can foresee circumstances where I would want to take advantage of it.
 
Stroller said:
I think Streeting is an extremely impressive Health Secretary with an excellent grasp of the issues facing the NHS and I'm confident that he will make big improvements whilst in this role. I do think he's wrong to oppose the assisted dying bill, though. I sincerely hope that this bill passes, not least because I can foresee circumstances where I would want to take advantage of it.
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Kiwi's posts haven't become so unbearably bad to drive you to that surely?
 
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Reeves to 'change the debt rules' to allow additional government borrowing of up to £50bn per annum to be spent on capital projects.

Excellent.
 
 
kiwiqpr said:
new number 1

vietnam

Earlier this year, Vietnam emerged - abruptly - as the biggest single source of new migrants seeking to cross the Channel to the UK illegally in small boats. Arrivals surged from 1,306 in the whole of 2023, to 2,248 in the first half of 2024.
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We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place
Girl, there's a better life for me and you
 
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Democrat strategists have told Kamala Harris that telling the American public that they should beware of Donald Trump because he's a fascist isn't 'cutting through'. He is a fascist of course, but the American public are on the verge of announcing, 'Yes, he is, and we like it'.
 
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Democrat strategists have told Kamala Harris that telling the American public that they should beware of Donald Trump because he's a fascist isn't 'cutting through'. He is a fascist of course, but the American public are on the verge of announcing, 'Yes, he is, and we like it'.
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Isn’t that their democratic right, no matter how much liberals sneer at them?

For the record I don’t think he’s a fascist, though he has had people with fascist tendencies around him at various stages, like Steve Bannon. Fascism is an ideology, and Trump isn’t an ideologist he’s transactional, he seems to be a narcissist with a sociopathic personality disorder and no sense of right and wrong, or interest in it. He also appears to be as senile as Biden. I haven’t been following that closely but beyond supporting abortion rights and the fact that she owns a gun and knows how to use it I haven’t learned much about Harris. I’d probably vote for her in the same way I did in the election here, for entirely negative reasons.


Meanwhile little Wes Streeting is getting his excuses in early, saying that the £ billions extra the NHS will get in the budget won’t actually help it improve, it will keep it about as **** as it is now. Streeting was shadow secretary for health from November 2021, but apparently didn’t do any prep during his time in opposition as we have to wait until ‘spring’ 2025 (I love the political medieval agricultural calendar) for his version of the NHS Ten Year Plan.
 
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sb_73 said:
Isn’t that their democratic right, no matter how much liberals sneer at them?

For the record I don’t think he’s a fascist, though he has had people with fascist tendencies around him at various stages, like Steve Bannon. Fascism is an ideology, and Trump isn’t an ideologist he’s transactional, he seems to be a narcissist with a sociopathic personality disorder and no sense of right and wrong, or interest in it. He also appears to be as senile as Biden. I haven’t been following that closely but beyond supporting abortion rights and the fact that she owns a gun and knows how to use it I haven’t learned much about Harris. I’d probably vote for her in the same way I did in the election here, for entirely negative reasons.


Meanwhile little Wes Streeting is getting his excuses in early, saying that the £ billions extra the NHS will get in the budget won’t actually help it improve, it will keep it about as **** as it is now. Streeting was shadow secretary for health from November 2021, but apparently didn’t do any prep during his time in opposition as we have to wait until ‘spring’ 2025 (I love the political medieval agricultural calendar) for his version of the NHS Ten Year Plan.
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He’s a populist rather than a strategist. Just an extreme version of our dear Boris.
 
sb_73 said:
Isn’t that their democratic right, no matter how much liberals sneer at them?

For the record I don’t think he’s a fascist, though he has had people with fascist tendencies around him at various stages, like Steve Bannon. Fascism is an ideology, and Trump isn’t an ideologist he’s transactional, he seems to be a narcissist with a sociopathic personality disorder and no sense of right and wrong, or interest in it. He also appears to be as senile as Biden. I haven’t been following that closely but beyond supporting abortion rights and the fact that she owns a gun and knows how to use it I haven’t learned much about Harris. I’d probably vote for her in the same way I did in the election here, for entirely negative reasons.
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It's their democratic right for the time being, but they're in danger of voting away their right to change their minds. Trump has said how much he admires other dictators, in particular President Xi - 'He’s a brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist'. He has talked of locking up his political opponents, of using the military against his own people, and of mass deportations of immigrants (there are estimated to be 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US, 80% of whom have been there for 10 years or more), which would entail rounding people up and putting them in some form of 'concentration' camp before arrangements could be made for their repatriation. He has said immigrants are 'poisoning the blood of our country' and has described the people jailed for the attempted January 6th coup as 'hostages'. If all that isn't fascistic, I don't know what is.

Oh, and I'm not sneering, I'm frightened.

Edit: Steve Bannon just released from Jail and Trump rumoured to be considering asking him to appear at a rally.
 
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