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Thomas Tuchel
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As of four weeks ago I moved into journalism.
Feels like a weird thing to say.
I should change my name to final name in the coffin.
Speaks well but it's all about winning - good luck with that gold star
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England international team has never floated my boat and very rarely watch their games. Too boring/negative and failure is never far away. It's all about results I suppose so the proof will be in the pudding. Whatever the nationality of the coach shouldn't be an issue these days. Wish the lad well but unless there's a radical change in the style they play I won't be watching. Give me high press, up tempo and attacking football then I will get on board. We have the players....just never had someone the coaches role to turn that into trophies.
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I think some of the problems lie in George’s park. A lot of young up and coming managers go there for training and courses etc, but when you watch styles of play from English managers they all seem to adopt a cautious approach similar to Southgate (who was most definitely an FA man).
The truth is the best English managers out there are probably Howe and Potter and at the moment neither of them fills me with confidence. Our home grown managers struggle to innovate and find their own style and the ones who do normally get derided for it as they are trying with inferior players.
Management is not about the levels you have managed at, but about playing philosophy and style of play.
As people have said Pep couldn’t do what he does with players at say Scunthorpe but his tactics style and philosophy are second to none in the modern game.
Southgate stuck ridgedly to his playing(and I believe the FA’s) philosophy and was not tactically astute enough to change tactics for different games or even in game and that was his big flaw which cost us in finals.
I like the choice of manager and believe he has a bit of pragmatism and flair which seems suited to international football, but the proof can only be seen in style of play and results. He has a very talented group to pick from so time will tell.
According to Sean Dyche, English managers are not interested in the England job. Mind you he probably would never make a short list for it anyways
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I think Dyche is right mind. The England job must be unattractive to a lot of people. It's always been in the spotlight and the press have always been hyper-critical of the incumbent. You look at Gareth Southgate’s stint though and wonder what more you'd have to do. The bloke got us to two major finals and to semi-finals, he set us up in exactly the right way to progress deep into tournaments, and stuck to his guns knowing he was right. Yet, despite only losing narrowly in those two finals, public opinion suggests he's a failure. Of 102 games in charge, he won 61 and lost only 17. That's a win rate approximately the same as World Cup winners Aime Jacquet, Alf Ramsay, and Didier Deschamps, and better than Franz Beckenbauer. If that's failure then the public expectation is unrealistic. So no wonder people don't want the England job.
I can't say appointing Tuchel changes my expectation levels. He's a very good coach, but so was Southgate. The likelihood of winning an international trophy is very low though and factors beyond the coach are just as important.
Your last sentence is spot on! The failure of media and fans alike to realise this is lamentable.
As much as I think The England...or any national side..should stick with their own nationality, Tuchel is many steps up from Southgate. I can go back to the 66 cup final and since then no England manager has had the talent at his disposal more than Southgate. It will be interesting to see what a genuine world class coach can do with this group
It's probably been done to death on here but do you not think the early '00s squads were comparable or arguably better, at least better balanced with a broader spread of talent compared to the recent squads which have the most talented players concentrated in a couple of positions.
The squads with Ferdinand, Campbell, King, Terry, even Carragher and Brown as options at centre back, with Cole and Neville, Beckham, Scholes, Hargreaves, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Owen. I'm a believer that we, as a nation, are guilty of massively overhyping our players but that is still a very strong group for me with real top end talent in every position (something of which Southgate didn't have the benefit in my opinion).
I do take your point, my thought is based on comparability to other nations, our squad is up there with the very best... I have watched England closely in the last few tournaments under Southgate and his style of football bores the living s hit out of me. Be good to see a new coach let these talented youngsters free to express themselves...Be an interesting couple of years ahead
I didn't like what I saw watching Soutgates team for the most part and that was even worse at the Euros just gone. They were terrible to watch, as I said at the time and I'll say it again there was one of the matches I fell asleep.
My opinion on Sothgate is split include argue with myself on him. He has to get credit for the consistency of the performances under him, they never really plummeted other than one or two near the end imo, his win % is great but as a national manager of a top nation it should be imo as most the time you are playing inferior teams and he got us to two finals and he deserves credit for all of that.
But the side of me that found his football boring, hated seeing them score then site back very often doesn't give him credit for what I watched while he was achieving all of that! Then there is the two finals, I could let him off against Spain, still think if he changed the starting 11 it could have been different instead he kept those players as subs and they came on and it was only time Spain had any bother from us! Kane was done for that tournament it was there to see but he stuck with him. Then there isnthe Italy final, that was there to win, they were rocked and any team with a could manager would have been 2 or 3 up before they had a chance to get their heads back on. Got to go for the kill and sometimes it's obvious to all watching that it's there for you to do that and I'll never forget that and should have been sacked there and then (exactly the same as our play off with Charlton, they lost their heads with the manner of that goal in an important final and should have been finished off).
Yeah, Southgate was cautious in those two finals. He was cautious in general. But its that approach that was so well suited to knock-out tournament football; if you don't lose, you keep progressing. Playing open, attacking football is the key to going home early, unless your side is significantly stronger than everyone else's. History shows that. Obviously at international level you can't go out and buy the best players. In the two finals, we only lost narrowly. He faced a difficult decision- throw everything at it and risk letting them back in, or remain cautious. Unfortunately, especially against Italy, they had a little bit more luck on the day. I can understand him not taking that gamble. A different manager might have done but, whether you do or don't, lose the game and you'll be criticised. I don't see those two narrow losses as a failure, personally. And while I'd rather see more exciting football, you have to be pragmatic if you want to win.
I agree he's a massive improvement on Southgate, it might be enough to get me interested in international football again but it's a stretch.
I used to think that the national team manager should also be of the same nationality but I really don't care anymore. It's moved on a lot over the last decade or so and theres probably more foreign players in the top leagues than home based anyway. Top teams are managed by overseas coaches and the players adhere to the coaches tactics and playing style. So why not have a foreign coach.
That’ll explain why I’m learning German on Duolingo. Die Schildkröte ist sehr lecker aber sehr hässlich.Aye, but Oz is half german anyway now man
Sorry mate,but,imo you're deluded. I also go back to the 66 competition and can say there weren't many stars in that side. Good players,yes,but not many top notch.
Sir Alf managed to blend a team,without superstars. Moore,of course,was exceptionally gifted,Bobby Charlton also, but others fitted into the mould.Home advantage has also played a part over the years.
When you say no manager has had the talent available more than Southgate,or that a better coach will succeed,is nonsense.
Venables,Robson and numerous other top class coaches have all failed with just as good players of their day.
The fact is,it's increasingly more difficult to take top players from their club environment and,over a couple of weeks, try to coach them into a cohesive unit in a system they're not familiar with and with players they don't know. History proves it, International football teams very rarely produce the sum of their parts. In my lifetime.....how many really worthy winners.......England,Brazil ,Argentina ,Germany,France,Spain, once each......and 4 of those with home advantage.......the evidence is there. The moral is,if the competition is on home soil,and you have a superstar,and he's up for it, you'll probably win. The coach will probably leave after anyway.
It's a flawed concept,and hugely disruptive to the domestic game.
The FA ,in their infinite stupidity think Tuchel is going to change anything for the better,and will fail,as they usually do.
such hypocrisy it’s ridiculous. I hope he’s been getting pellets for this ****.
The telegraph is as bad as the daily heil these days. **** rag.