General Election 4th July ...

[polyphemus]

Just a bit of musing on my part about our upcoming election.
All generalisations you understand, and based on Elections going back to when I started to take some interest in them, from Harold (You've Never had it SO GOOD) MacMillan/ Lord Home till now.

Firstly, just who is it that elects our Governments.
It isn't those who steadfastly vote the same way every time, out of loyalty to Family, Class or any other reason.
The parties, knowing that they can take these people for granted, do just that, then basically ignore them.
The ones that are responsible for the change are characterised by The Press and The Polls, as The Don't Know's
This group, almost by definition, tend to be middle of the road, politicly, and nervous of extremism. Most think of themselves as The Moderates. Their votes often go, not to the Party they like most, but to the Party they, at the time, dislike least.

The obvious point is that ALL governments get chucked out in the end.
The longer they have been able to hang on the harder the fall tends to be.
IF this logic prevails, The Tories are in for real drubbing this time out.
They should have lost last time out, but the 'Special Case' of Brexit and Corbyn gave them a five year bonus.

And following the change, what can we expect?
Well the things that we were promised will all be done immediately, wont be.
We will be told that the books show that we are in even more trouble that they thought.
Stand by for the new Battle Cry, 'Fourteen Years of Tory Misrule' to explain any lethargy from the new Incumbents.

After a while in Power, their extremists will start to agitate, (Right Wing for Tories, left wing and Unions for Labour).
Their MP's will find opportunities to profit from their proximity to the Seats of Power.
Some of the less clever will break the First Commandment in these circumstances, 'Thou Shalt NOT get caught'. So the get caught out, and we get, -----
SCANDALS.

And after a time the gravy train having reached it's allotted terminus, the whole thing will start again. All that will change will be the name of the ruling Party.

So will the change of Government make any real, substantial, difference to us?
My guess is NO, simply because it has happened only once in my lifetime and Mrs T got in because The Unions had become too powerful and had to be reigned back, (in the view of The Moderates).

There is a quote, attributed to many Politicians over the years, in one form or another,

‘All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs.’

It is rather apt I think.

With the benefit of hindsight, I appologise for this post.
While it was all very obvious, (Mystic Mrg, I aint), it seems that I underestimated the Labour Politicions.
And while everything I expect to happen has in fact heappened, (and more), not in my wildest nightmares did I expect it to happen so quickly.

My sympathies go to those Labour supporters who believed thar their Party would be open and honest, represent the Working Classes and protect those less fortunate.
Most of them must feel very let down by now.

Who could have believed on the morning of July 5th that within only three months in Power Sir Kier would have eroded his approval ratings in most polls to bellow Rishi Sunak.

Were an election to be called now we might well have Nigel Farage as PM.
How low can you get?

Those who still hold on to a belief in The Party can HOPE that the tactic is to get all the worst bit out NOW, then spent the next few yeays wih good bits.

Finaly I would add that one of the few advantages of having a very wealthy PM, (or one married to a very wealther wife), is that they must be just about immpossible to bribe with expensive 'gifts'..

Makes you wonder just what Tory MP's in the last Parliament might have been up too?

(PS.
No complaints from me about the Winter Fuel Allowance cut. It should have been means tested from the start with people like me who didn't need it getting nothing and those that did getting twice as much. But even here this Goverment only got things half right).

 

[clockstander]

With the benefit of hindsight, I appologise for this post.
While it was all very obvious, (Mystic Mrg, I aint), it seems that I underestimated the Labour Politicions.
And while everything I expect to happen has in fact heappened, (and more), not in my wildest nightmares did I expect it to happen so quickly.

My sympathies go to those Labour supporters who believed thar their Party would be open and honest, represent the Working Classes and protect those less fortunate.
Most of them must feel very let down by now.

Who could have believed on the morning of July 5th that within only three months in Power Sir Kier would have eroded his approval ratings in most polls to bellow Rishi Sunak.

Were an election to be called now we might well have Nigel Farage as PM.
How low can you get?

Those who still hold on to a belief in The Party can HOPE that the tactic is to get all the worst bit out NOW, then spent the next few yeays wih good bits.

Finaly I would add that one of the few advantages of having a very wealthy PM, (or one married to a very wealther wife), is that they must be just about immpossible to bribe with expensive 'gifts'..

Makes you wonder just what Tory MP's in the last Parliament might have been up too?

(PS.
No complaints from me about the Winter Fuel Allowance cut. It should have been means tested from the start with people like me who didn't need it getting nothing and those that did getting twice as much. But even here this Goverment only got things half right).

Me for one, and don,t fool yourself .

 

[rooch 3]

With the benefit of hindsight, I appologise for this post.
While it was all very obvious, (Mystic Mrg, I aint), it seems that I underestimated the Labour Politicions.
And while everything I expect to happen has in fact heappened, (and more), not in my wildest nightmares did I expect it to happen so quickly.

My sympathies go to those Labour supporters who believed thar their Party would be open and honest, represent the Working Classes and protect those less fortunate.
Most of them must feel very let down by now.

Who could have believed on the morning of July 5th that within only three months in Power Sir Kier would have eroded his approval ratings in most polls to bellow Rishi Sunak.

Were an election to be called now we might well have Nigel Farage as PM.
How low can you get?

Those who still hold on to a belief in The Party can HOPE that the tactic is to get all the worst bit out NOW, then spent the next few yeays wih good bits.

Finaly I would add that one of the few advantages of having a very wealthy PM, (or one married to a very wealther wife), is that they must be just about immpossible to bribe with expensive 'gifts'..

Makes you wonder just what Tory MP's in the last Parliament might have been up too?

(PS.
No complaints from me about the Winter Fuel Allowance cut. It should have been means tested from the start with people like me who didn't need it getting nothing and those that did getting twice as much. But even here this Goverment only got things half right).

That post is probably the most spot on prediction I have ever read, but even I can’t believe how it’s come to fruition so quickly.
So many Labour voters let down in such a short time.
Hopefully Starmer is a dead man walking and is given the boot along with Rayner asap.

 

[cumbrianmackem]

If only I’d posted my real thoughts on the Labour Party prior to the election result I could be sat here smuggly saying I told you so but never mind.
The history of this party should have been a red flag to us all.

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

If only I’d posted my real thoughts on the Labour Party prior to the election result I could be sat here smuggly saying I told you so but never mind.
The history of this party should have been a red flag to us all.

Are we allowed yet or is it still too soon?

 

[alcoauth]

My conclusion is; the beatings will continue until morale improves.

 

[gelders pie]

That post is probably the most spot on prediction I have ever read, but even I can’t believe how it’s come to fruition so quickly.
So many Labour voters let down in such a short time.
Hopefully Starmer is a dead man walking and is given the boot along with Rayner asap.

Starmer gone would be good - but it still leaves us the problem and question of who instead.. Worrying again. I think Starmer didn't understand the difference between opposition leader and in power leader. As opposition, maybe his legal background meant he could argue, question and dissect, but as PM he has no idea about doing things.

 

[FellTop]

With the benefit of hindsight, I appologise for this post.
While it was all very obvious, (Mystic Mrg, I aint), it seems that I underestimated the Labour Politicions.
And while everything I expect to happen has in fact heappened, (and more), not in my wildest nightmares did I expect it to happen so quickly.

My sympathies go to those Labour supporters who believed thar their Party would be open and honest, represent the Working Classes and protect those less fortunate.
Most of them must feel very let down by now.

Who could have believed on the morning of July 5th that within only three months in Power Sir Kier would have eroded his approval ratings in most polls to bellow Rishi Sunak.

Were an election to be called now we might well have Nigel Farage as PM.
How low can you get?

Those who still hold on to a belief in The Party can HOPE that the tactic is to get all the worst bit out NOW, then spent the next few yeays wih good bits.

Finaly I would add that one of the few advantages of having a very wealthy PM, (or one married to a very wealther wife), is that they must be just about immpossible to bribe with expensive 'gifts'..

Makes you wonder just what Tory MP's in the last Parliament might have been up too?

(PS.
No complaints from me about the Winter Fuel Allowance cut. It should have been means tested from the start with people like me who didn't need it getting nothing and those that did getting twice as much. But even here this Goverment only got things half right).

I would buy a lottery ticket mate. Your predicitions are uncanny.

 

[rooch 3]

If only I’d posted my real thoughts on the Labour Party prior to the election result I could be sat here smuggly saying I told you so but never mind.
The history of this party should have been a red flag to us all.

I think you did mate, but nobody listened

 

[alcoauth]

Starmer gone would be good - but it still leaves us the problem and question of who instead.. Worrying again. I think Starmer didn't understand the difference between opposition leader and in power leader. As opposition, maybe his legal background meant he could argue, question and dissect, but as PM he has no idea about doing things.

The problem is the nature of modern politics and what kinds of people it attracts. The modern politician is a people pleaser first, a career politician, willing to say what is necessary to please the largest amount of people. I'm sure many of them are ideologues also, but they obscure any radical notions from view to keep an outward appearance of agreeableness.

There are very few good politicians left across the board, we need a complete overhaul. Unfortunately as things stand I don't think the country is anywhere near ready to make that happen, much more suffering to be had before we're in total agreement on that.

 

[rooch 3]

The problem is the nature of modern politics and what kinds of people it attracts. The modern politician is a people pleaser first, a career politician, willing to say what is necessary to please the largest amount of people. I'm sure many of them are ideologues also, but they obscure any radical notions from view to keep an outward appearance of agreeableness.

There are very few good politicians left across the board, we need a complete overhaul. Unfortunately as things stand I don't think the country is anywhere near ready to make that happen, much more suffering to be had before we're in total agreement on that.

I’ve wrote on here plenty of times saying I believe they are all the same, money grabbing leeches, one or two have replied that there are some good ones among them. Well there’s only one lass has come forward and resigned because she is disgusted with the greed and sleaze coming down from the top. To see that nobody else has shows you exactly where they think their breads buttered.