First thing I thought when I saw the towns name was Solingen was KNIVES .
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First thing I thought when I saw the towns name was Solingen was KNIVES .
Bit behind on this but this is absolutely true, but its the highest 'earners' who don't pay their fair share of tax that give the others a bad name
We need to fix the non-domiciles, off-shore fiddlers and CGT benefitters in favour of those that are working
We need to fix the non-domiciles, off-shore fiddlers and CGT benefitters in favour of those that are working
Some sort of tax or fee for unused buildings, and building plots especially those with planning permission held for the capital gains.
Like all the empty commercial office blocks that have been empty for ages. And seem unlikely to be filled any time soon.
Compulsory purchase by local authorities with government grants or loans. Convert or demolish and rebuild with a high proportion of social housing.
Well, I’d have likely put a bowl of water down if one of my sons brought her home. Is that what you meant?
Don’t know, I was simply making the point about Solingen and Knives .
Just seen they have claimed it. To have pride in killing innocents is horrendous.
The guy was staying in an asylum centre apparently. (Could be fake.) This is exactly the threat I was talking about with letting undocumented people stay. We have no idea how many are terrorists.
On a different note; I see the met are continuing their two tier policing:
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Imagine the outcry at this level of crime if the perpetrators were wearing England tops or union jacks.
This stuff?
Mum stabbed at Carnival was with her young child https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4geznqv7d9o
Woman in life-threatening condition after stabbing at Notting Hill carnival
https://news.sky.com/story/notting-hill-carnival-police-make-38-arrests-as-one-man-stabbed-13203477
I could go on. It’s being reported everywhere. What you mean is that it isn’t being amplified on social media etc, as much as the other stuff was. But that’s not the press (though they’ll report on things that generate the most interaction, in order to survive, such is the way of things). It’s the fact people aren’t as interested, so the algorithms don’t respond as much. There’s no suppression of the outcry, it just reflects society currently.
Why is it two-tier policing? Are you saying they aren’t arresting or trying to arrest those responsible?
A stabbing in a crowd is much harder to deal with (as we have seen in Solingen) than a bunch of people throwing bricks at police. Right?
None of the above or the other crimes listed, for which appropriate charges will no doubt be made, have been subjected to the far right wing media inflammatory misinformation and lies that followed the Swift stabbings
Os is not wrong. He never said it wasn't reported, he said the police respond differently from how they deal with other sections of society. Two tier policing.
They like to emphasize how it is a "tiny minority" and that the "vast majority of people come to celebrate, to dance, to enjoy music and have a fantastic experience". But it takes 7,000 coppers, costs £11 million to police and "In the past two years, there have been more than 500 arrests at the Notting Hill Carnival as well as 15 stabbings including one death, and more than 125 police officers have been assaulted". Plus the other crimes listed above from this weekend. I can't think of any other situation where the police wouldn't object to an event with those crime figures. But not here, and that I think is what Os was commenting on.
One things for sure, you won't see police in riot gear or a Starmer speech saying how any offenders will feel the full force of the law.
But I'm not suggesting it should stopped, I like it when public events are arranged for people's entertainment, the more the merrier. Society needs them but the Notting Hill Carnival has been out of control for a number of years and the authorities are frightened/unwilling/unable to change it.
They like to emphasize how it is a "tiny minority" and that the "vast majority of people come to celebrate, to dance, to enjoy music and have a fantastic experience". But it takes 7,000 coppers, costs £11 million to police and "In the past two years, there have been more than 500 arrests at the Notting Hill Carnival as well as 15 stabbings including one death, and more than 125 police officers have been assaulted". Plus the other crimes listed above from this weekend. I can't think of any other situation where the police wouldn't object to an event with those crime figures. But not here, and that I think is what Os was commenting on.
One things for sure, you won't see police in riot gear or a Starmer speech saying how any offenders will feel the full force of the law.
But I'm not suggesting it should stopped, I like it when public events are arranged for people's entertainment, the more the merrier. Society needs them but the Notting Hill Carnival has been out of control for a number of years and the authorities are frightened/unwilling/unable to change it.
There is such a strong agenda in your responses, IOAG. You should step back and look at your own post, pretending you don't already "know" the answers.
Os is not wrong. He never said it wasn't reported, he said the police respond differently from how they deal with other sections of society. Two tier policing.
Right. You both keep saying this. But it is a real stretch. And thankfully, you yourself go on to prove it is a stretch.
They like to emphasize how it is a "tiny minority" and that the "vast majority of people come to celebrate, to dance, to enjoy music and have a fantastic experience".
Right, so you establish that the semantic and logical difference - from a police perspective and from most normal people's - between the riots and the carnival is the percentage of people causing trouble. 3 million people will attend the carnival Let's take ALL your crimes and pretend they all happened this year:
3 million people to 500 arrests = 0.016%. That kind of supports tiny minority, and that is taking all the arrests over 2 years and cramming them into one year.
In contrast, a few thousand rioted and it looks like being a thousand or so who were arrested.
This is because in this instance it was not a tiny minority acting in a lawless way, but actually something close to a majority. Comparing that to a street festival where 99.9% of people are behaving themselves is disingenuous and painfully wrong.
Plus the other crimes listed above from this weekend. I can't think of any other situation where the police wouldn't object to an event with those crime figures. But not here, and that I think is what Os was commenting on.
One things for sure, you won't see police in riot gear or a Starmer speech saying how any offenders will feel the full force of the law.
God, this is such painful logic. I mean honestly. Step out of the room, take a breath and just look at what you have posted. Your own evidence suggests that this is not in any way a case for riot police, because it isn't a riot. You proved that. Your evidence shows this is a criminal underbelly ruining an event attended by 3 million people with violence and poor behaviour. In what world is this comparable to attending an event where the sole intention was to terrify immigrants in a hotel?
Please response specifically to the bit in bold because that is kind of core here. There is a distinct difference between criminal behaviour and a racially aggravated terror incident. I really need to stress that because I know nobody not deeply buried in an agenda would even think to compare these two events.
Unless you are saying that black people have it better than white people? Eek. I hope not.
And why would Starmer give a speech on ever single criminal act? I am fairly sure he will be talking to his officers about how to improve safety in this event attended by 3 million people every year... but it is laughable to think he should treat criminal misbehaviour in a popular festival remotely equally to racially motivated rioting.
But I'm not suggesting it should stopped, I like it when public events are arranged for people's entertainment, the more the merrier. Society needs them but the Notting Hill Carnival has been out of control for a number of years and the authorities are frightened/unwilling/unable to change it.
This is the only part of your post that does feel stretched and ridiculous - because this is the only part you aren't stretching to make Os's comment work. It may well be that this event, which is of high importance particularly to the black community in London, is hard to police and improvements need to be made. And it may be that a white police force with a history of problems with that black community is struggling to police it adequately. Those may be true.
In that sense, calling this evidence of a two-tier system is correct. 40 years of police racism has indeed made it harder to police this festival.
Look at the articles.
“Mostly peaceful”
Making excuses for abhorrent behaviour.
Where are the politicians calling them hooligans/thugs and vilifying them?
How can you not see that a festival with a tiny minority of criminal behaviour is grossly different to race riots? Nobody is justifying the violence, but if you are upset that the term mostly peaceful is used, when the festival is indeed mostly peaceful… I think the issue is with you.
The issue is the incredibly biased reporting from media and social media platforms designed to divide and trigger hatred towards one group and placate others.
There is enormous pressure from governments to censor certain topics and amplify of others.
Here is Mark Zuckerberg in his own words describing that pressure in relation to covid and Biden:
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This is what I said was happening and people called me a conspiracy theorist.
But no - it was true then and it’s true in this case.
There is strong pro-immigration propaganda being spread and if anyone even remotely questions the open border policies publically they are instantly put under a similar sort of pressure.
This goes hand in hand with painting the Carnival in a hugely positive light because it shows a diverse UK.
If similar numbers of arrests and violence happened at, for example a football match, it would be front page news & called a hooligan horror show.
Yet because the festival supports their Diversity & Inclusion project, they will try and minimise the PR damage instead.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Reminds me of my visits to festivals in the 70s. My parents would see the news and comment on the crimes reported and I would point out that the festival was a small city having a 4 day party and less person in person crime than any city would have by miles
And they were far smaller than the Carnival