1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic The Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

?

Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    #92781
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2024
  2. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2013
    Messages:
    24,479
    Likes Received:
    23,910
    This is not conspiracy theory, these are serious policy proposals by people who have been advisers to Trump in the past and who would take up senior positions in the next Trump government. Trump is distancing himself from it at this stage, but that's most likely to avoid difficult questions. The people behind the proposals are unconcerned by Trump's current apparent coolness to them because they know that he is highly likely to be on board once back in the White House.
     
    #92782
  3. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    The manifesto is not a conspiracy theory, there’s nothing secret about it. Your interpretation of what could happen is conjecture though (at the moment). Most of the BBC summary would seem in line with hard core social (as opposed to fiscal) Republican Conservatism. If they win the Presidency and both houses of the legislature surely it’s their prerogative to implement their (hideous) programme? Just like Labour has carte blanche to get more radical with its giant majority (in seats, not votes), even though it didn’t tell us it would get radical at all pre election. Isn’t this what liberal representative democracy is all about?

    I added a reference to Peter Thiel who I do find weird. There’s an article about him in the Sunday Times today.
     
    #92783
  4. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2013
    Messages:
    24,479
    Likes Received:
    23,910
    Yeah, I get the comparison to Starmer's pre-election reticence, but then Starmer being a little bit more of a leftie in government than he let on he was going to be is not quite the same as a new Trump administration (possibly) implementing an horrendous far right agenda and dismantling democratic processes altogether.

    I find the far right threat in the US genuinely scary. Kevin Roberts, one of Heritage Foundation's leading figures, said recently that the country is in the midst of a 'second American Revolution' and that it will be bloodless 'if the left allows it to be'.
     
    #92784
  5. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    115,885
    Likes Received:
    231,799
    Is that the bloke that got kiwi citizenship in record time
     
    #92785
  6. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2011
    Messages:
    69,499
    Likes Received:
    56,939
    If my last name was Thiel I simply wouldn’t name my son Peter. Would have been bullied to within an inch of his life at any British school.
     
    #92786
  7. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    Any British public (i.e. private) school perhaps.
     
    #92787
  8. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    11,442
    Likes Received:
    10,832
    #92788
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2024
    daverangers and kiwiqpr like this.
  9. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    Biden gives up. Probably too late to change the outcome of the election, but hopefully will save him ongoing embarrassment and stress.
     
    #92789
    Stroller likes this.
  10. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2013
    Messages:
    24,479
    Likes Received:
    23,910
    Good. For him, his family and for the hopes of beating Trump. A Harris and Buttigieg ticket would cover the female, black and gay demographics. That would just leave the male, racist homophobes. Hmm.
     
    #92790
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2024

  11. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    115,885
    Likes Received:
    231,799
    Thiel is a conservative libertarian who has made substantial donations to American right-wing figures and causes. He was controversially granted New Zealand citizenship in 2011 after the Fifth National Government intervened on his behalf. Thiel had spent 12 non-consecutive days in the country, a fraction of the normal residency requirement of 1,350 days for citizenship.
     
    #92791
  12. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    Sadly, I don’t think Harris has been in any way impressive as VP. On the basis of no knowledge I suspect that the Democrat leadership whoever the **** they are, have concluded that Trump will win whatever this time and best not taint a serious contender in 2028 with a loss this time out. Harris was given the poisonous brief of reducing illegal immigration, Trumps special subject, and failed miserably. Sitting duck.**

    Of course, if your Project 25 agenda and Trump’s ego come into play, and not only Trump but both Houses are pro Trump Republican, they could over turn Amendment 22 to the US constitution, which restricts presidents to 2 terms (or ten years if they have initially inherited the position from a dead or dumped president). FDR was elected (allegedly reluctantly) 4 times, which led to the amendment. Apparently before him it was just a tradition that no one went more than twice, based on Washington retiring after two terms.

    Here endeth the history lesson.

    Weird scenes inside the goldmine.*




    * multiple points for identifying the source of this line. Oddly appropriate in current circumstances.

    ** on reflection this is probably wrong. If defeat is inevitable they should have let Biden take it to minimise collateral damage.
     
    #92792
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2024
  13. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    11,442
    Likes Received:
    10,832
    Mass immigration sank Biden.It sank the Tories. It'll sink Harris, and very probably Starmer. There's a lesson here....
     
    #92793
  14. Steelmonkey

    Steelmonkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    25,238
    Likes Received:
    48,329
    download.jpeg
     
    #92794
    kiwiqpr likes this.
  15. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    Bravo, it’s a line from the Doors’ uber pretentious but rather good pseudo poetry The End. 73.615 points awarded.
    I think it’s a little more complicated than that, but obviously not in your head. Fill your boots.
     
    #92795
    Steelmonkey likes this.
  16. Steelmonkey

    Steelmonkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    25,238
    Likes Received:
    48,329
    Mrs SM went to a Doors tribute night last night, so we'd been listening to his stuff today, although I knew that line anyway :emoticon-0148-yes:

    I prefer Celebration of the Lizard as their "pseudo-poetry" goes myself
     
    #92796
    kiwiqpr and sb_73 like this.
  17. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    Met up with our short arse mate before the game yesterday. He was drinking some berry flavoured cider concoction but was otherwise on good form and his sons were great value. Strolls turned up as well, which obviously wasn’t ideal…..
     
    #92797
    Steelmonkey likes this.
  18. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2013
    Messages:
    24,479
    Likes Received:
    23,910
    What's that supposed to mean?
     
    #92798
    sb_73 likes this.
  19. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,814
    Likes Received:
    28,813
    More expensive rounds. I’m still hankering after the 98p Latvian pint.

    To get back to the thread do you really think Harris has a chance? I genuinely hope so. Does Biden’s endorsement guarantee her the spot?
     
    #92799
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2024
    Steelmonkey likes this.
  20. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    11,442
    Likes Received:
    10,832
    Of course it’s more complicated, but the major common factor is uncontrolled immigration. I know it’s hard for liberals to acknowledge
     
    #92800

Share This Page