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Who the **** is voting for Gavin Williamson ... The guy got sacked from a middle management role for a pottery company and embarrassed himself in the media spotlight 'taking on' Russia/Putin. The Labour or Reform candidate can't be worse...
 
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And why Labour would never ever vote for a change in PR.
Only the Liberals want it, the Tories don’t want it either, that’s why they kept moving the boundaries to try squeeze more gates away from Labour like North and West Hull
 
Mmm, that’s a bit disingenuous and simplistic.

The Nazis originally had two major factions - the Hitlerites and Strasserites. The Hitlerites believed in the Führerprinzip, were pro-business/capitalist and courted the support of landowners and the middle-class and upper-class of Germany. The Strasserites were the more ‘socialist’ faction of the Nazi Party. They wanted a vanguard party, nationalisation/socialisation of the means of production, land reform to break up the Junker estates, workers’ councils similar to the soviets in the early Soviet Union and closer diplomatic ties to the Soviet Union than the West. The Strasserites were utterly purged during the Night of the Long Knives.

The Nazi Party were firmly a pro-capitalist party post-1934. Once in power, they actually introduced large-scale privatisation of banks and industries that Thatcher and Reagan could only dream of.

Hitler was not pro capitalist, he thought capitalism was a Jewish concept. He used capitalists for his own ends but there was state control of virtually everything. Goebbels was far left in his early days.
 
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Only the Liberals want it, the Tories don’t want it either, that’s why they kept moving the boundaries to try squeeze more gates away from Labour like North and West Hull

Boundary changes around Bransholme helped Labour years ago.
 
Only the Liberals want it, the Tories don’t want it either, that’s why they kept moving the boundaries to try squeeze more gates away from Labour like North and West Hull

Basically, it's like this. When fptp splits the vote on the left as has happened for decades, they campaign to keep it.

When a party comes along and splits the vote on the right, it's unfair and they want rid of it.
 
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Reform UK getting 14% of the overall votes is a hell of an achievement from them.
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Agree, it is quite an achievement from a standing start, so little time and funding, and smear campaign after smear campaign.
BUT so disappointing and plain wrong that 14/15% of the vote equates to only 4 seats (less than 1%).

-> She (P Maudant) was about the only front runner who came across as a human being, it's a shame she lost her seat.

Not only that, but also a capable politician and likely a capable leader. It is a shame imo. Their disaster continues! No idea who will be next leader once the (surely) inevitable happens later this morning.
 
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My local Tory MP who has been in situ for 19 years placed an £8000 bet on himself to lose his seat at this election.

The cynical may say that the leaking of this information only enhanced his chance of winning his own bet.

His electioneering strap line
Your interests not self interest.
If this is true and it’s Graham Stuart he’s lost his money :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
The Tory implosion left a lot of their disillusioned supporters frantically searching for a single election alternative across the whole country. Reform, who are a single focus protest party, struck lucky and picked up those votes. Apart from a couple of impoverished seaside constituencies, their reactionary nonsense was simply not well enough supported to win seats, so consequently the 4 seats they did win merely reflects the support they garnered.

Interestingly, 4 seats also went to single issue protest candidates who will stand as Independents in areas where concerns about the ruling party's stance on Gaza proved decisive.

Maybe the grifters and the anti-Semitic bigots could form an alliance and double their influence?
 
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Hitler was not pro capitalist, he thought capitalism was a Jewish concept. He used capitalists for his own ends but there was state control of virtually everything. Goebbels was far left in his early days.

Objectively not true.
 
The Tory implosion left a lot of their disillusioned supporters frantically searching for a single election alternative across the whole country. Reform, who are a single focus protest party, struck lucky and picked up those votes. Apart from a couple of impoverished seaside constituencies, their reactionary nonsense was simply not well enough supported to win seats, so consequently the 4 seats they did win merely reflects the support they garnered.

Interestingly, 4 seats also went to single issue protest candidates who will stand as Independents in areas where concerns about the ruling party's stance on Gaza proved decisive.

Maybe the grifters and the anti-Semitic bigots could form an alliance and double their influence?

Anti semitic bigots? Off The Line will be accusing you of dehumanising Muslims. An, ironically considering anti semitism, accusing you of being a Nazi.
 
-> Because of the unexpected rise in the Reform vote
I agree, they've taken votes from both sides.

... and the startling rise of Lib Dems. 70odd seats! Can't understand that one.
 
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