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Smug in Boots said:
Here's a prediction that I hope I'm wrong about ...

... I think there'll be violence on the streets in the next few days.

Farage, who's a racist, will say something that triggers a Trump style attack on democracy.
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Probably be the same ones that said we had to respect the will of the British people in a 51% - 49% vote "landslide" previously :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
Smug in Boots said:
Thankfully the Euros start again tomorrow and the football season isn't far away ...

... then surely the summer will actually start and I can get walking again to various pubs <cheers>

Seriously, look down those photos man, awful people.
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I am not disagreeing with you. I just wondered if I should send you a jigsaw or something to while away some time before labour balls it up even more :emoticon-0136-giggl<cheers>

I usually stay up all night to see how the land looks. I think we all know dont we. Even in my little backwater, which is a rural conservative stronghold it looks odds on a Labour win. That is with a candidate from outside the boundary and in a location deemed a non battleground seat. People are voting to boot the govt as hard as possible, and who can blame them.
 
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FellTop said:
I am not disagreeing with you. I just wondered if I should send you a jigsaw or something to while away some time before labour balls it up even more :emoticon-0136-giggl<cheers>

I usually stay up all night to see how the land looks. I think we all know dont we. Even in my little backwater, which is a rural conservative stronghold it looks odds on a Labour win. That is with a candidate from outside the boundary and in a location deemed a non battleground seat. People are voting to boot the govt as hard as possible, and who can blame them.
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To be serious mate, I'm really not very political at all and wouldn't normally go on a politically inclined thread. I find politics boring tbh. I only went onto the Boris thread because I was truly staggered at how fanatical and defensive people were about someone I saw as an absolute waster, and enemy of the common man, from the second I saw him. The more angry and hysterical people became, when I poked fun at him, the more I posted. When my suspicions proved correct and his lies, deception and spite became indefensible I revelled in the way people would bend themselves out of shape trying to defend him. Nothing could dissuade them from believing 'he was the best leader this country has ever had'. Not even when he likened himself to Churchill, cosied up to Russian criminals or gave a young lass he'd shagged a peerage.

I don't play games on the football threads and never would. But the Boris thread has been a laugh from start to finish and tonight will probably see my interest wane. I was quite disappointed when so many decent people, in the NE, swallowed all the lies about Brexit, levelling up, the NHS and everything else. In reality I think it's fair to say they were conned and, as someone who loves the NE and the people, that's hard to take after seeing the NE conned for almost all of my adult life.

So tonight will hopefully be a real kick in the balls of those politicians who thought, like Charlie Methven, that NE people are thick and can be easily fooled and manipulated. I've no idea if the new administration will do any better but I suspect they'll be less likely to look down their noses at us and take us for fools.

Here's hoping.
 
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Bob the Mackem said:
Nigel, is NOT a racist, please mate open your mind and ears.
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Im my opinion he is a racist Bob, he's just too clever to go too far and actually say it.

It's just as easy for me to ask you to 'open your mind and ears' but I wouldn't be so patronising.

As far as I'm concerned he's every bit the conman that Methven was, who once said NE were thick.
 
This is how I see the lay of the land.

Labour win comfortably.
Tories less than 100 seats.
Lib Dems do well.
Reform do well in vote share but take few seats (1-5 range imo).

After they're in, Labour start to get pulled from both sides, not left enough for LD and Green types, pressure also comes from Reform and right Tories on immigration and culture war issues, Starmer tries to appease both sides, pleasing neither, struggles to get things done.

2 years in the left are unsatisfied with what they see as tory-lite centrism, the right get more vicious and use any political failings or inaction to stick the knife in, the current problems we have remain unsolved and early polling data splits people even further into far-right and far-left as people lose even more faith in traditional parties. 2029 election will be contested by what we now refer to as third parties.
 
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alcoauth said:
This is how I see the lay of the land.

Labour win comfortably.
Tories less than 100 seats.
Lib Dems do well.
Reform do well in vote share but take few seats (1-5 range imo).

After they're in, Labour start to get pulled from both sides, not left enough for LD and Green types, pressure also comes from Reform and right Tories on immigration and culture war issues, Starmer tries to appease both sides, pleasing neither, struggles to get things done.

2 years in the left are unsatisfied with what they see as tory-lite centrism, the right get more vicious and use any political failings or inaction to stick the knife in, the current problems we have remain unsolved and early polling data splits people even further into far-right and far-left as people lose even more faith in traditional parties. 2029 election will be contested by what we now refer to as third parties.
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Hmm, Gary Lineker was right a while back with his Germany in the 1930s comparison but he got the reasoning wrong. Its not the language used by Tories like Braverman (or not just); increasing political polarisation is a huge problem and is reminiscent of the Weimar Republic. What we must hope for is that a Conservative trouncing will lead to the restoration of sensible One Nation Tories at the forefront of the party, which will lead both main parties back to the centre ground and restore some balance.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
It's like one of those books of criminals the police get people to go through <laugh>

I'll be playing this tonight with a few drams and laughing as they go down ...

... it would be great to see Rees Mogg cringing as one of the hoi polloi takes his seat.

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Agreed, except can we make an exception for Fabricant? His hilarious syrup makes Today in Parliament worth watching.
 
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alcoauth said:
This is how I see the lay of the land.

Labour win comfortably.
Tories less than 100 seats.
Lib Dems do well.
Reform do well in vote share but take few seats (1-5 range imo).

After they're in, Labour start to get pulled from both sides, not left enough for LD and Green types, pressure also comes fromTories Reform and right Tories on immigration and culture war issues, Starmer tries to appease both sides, pleasing neither, struggles to get things done.

2 years in the left are unsatisfied with what they see as tory-lite centrism, the right get more vicious and use any political failings or inaction to stick the knife in, the current problems we have remain unsolved and early polling data splits people even further into far-right and far-left as people lose even more faith in traditional parties. 2029 election will be contested by what we now refer to as third parties.
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I think you're wrong but time will tell.

I've no idea why Starmer would want, or need, to appease the Greens, the Tories or Farage tbh.

I think he'll have better things to do and his majority/mandate gives him the right to carry it out.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
It's like one of those books of criminals the police get people to go through <laugh>

I'll be playing this tonight with a few drams and laughing as they go down ...

... it would be great to see Rees Mogg cringing as one of the hoi polloi takes his seat.

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My line for tonight is Rees-Mogg, Truss, McVey, Fabricant and Jenrick.

There's a whole load more that I'd like to see go too, but it'll be a very good night if they all lose.

Braverman and Patel losing along with Farage failing is too much to ask.
 
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Flash Gordon said:
My line for tonight is Rees-Mogg, Truss, McVey, Fabricant and Jenrick.

There's a whole load more that I'd like to see go too, but it'll be a very good night if they all lose.

Braverman and Patel losing along with Farage failing is too much to ask.
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<laugh>

I've gone for Dowden, Mogg, Patel, Braverman and Coffey ...

... the Good Heavens, the Bad and the Ugly <laugh>
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Hmm, Gary Lineker was right a while back with his Germany in the 1930s comparison but he got the reasoning wrong. Its not the language used by Tories like Braverman (or not just); increasing political polarisation is a huge problem and is reminiscent of the Weimar Republic. What we must hope for is that a Conservative trouncing will lead to the restoration of sensible One Nation Tories at the forefront of the party, which will lead both main parties back to the centre ground and restore some balance.
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Unfortunately I don't see a good ending, all routes lead through a burning house, the only valid paths to de escalation would require certain bodies of power to relinquish their ideals and these people are mostly ideologues who think they're fighting the power, the big twist is that they are now the power fighting everyone else.
 
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