Off Topic General Election

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I also think all our of green spaces could be built onto
So less people around the world can suffer and more can come here
 
Starmer, Reeves, Phillipson and Cooper just about make them credible but Streeting, Lammy, Ashworth, Rayner, Dodds and Thornberry are going to be very irritating and piss me right off very quickly.

For me starmer makes them completely unlikable, he's terrible, has absolutely no charisma, can't debate for toffee, will be absolutely hopeless at negotiating with other leaders, can't stick to anything he ever says and the one that really gets me...."we won't raise taxes for working people" which is just a huge lie.
 
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Always vote and will always vote, even if times tactically - someone died somewhere for my freedom to vote.

However there should be the option to vote NOTA (none of the above) - otherwise someone / trying to earn a few extra bob, has to count numerous / hilarious 'nob' drawings etc.

I'd also welcome online / electronic voting - we trust our banking which for most people is more important

Voting for 16+ getting older does not equal wiser

Finally proportional representation despite the 'fear' promoted by some.

(I'd also get rid of the House of 'Lords' and replace with something more representative...)

We'll never get what we / everyone wants, but compared to the totalitarian / fundamental regimes in other countries, not perfect but not USA...
Not allowing 16yo’s to vote in the Brexit referendum was bordering on criminal imo.
 
Starmer, Reeves, Phillipson and Cooper just about make them credible but Streeting, Lammy, Ashworth, Rayner, Dodds and Thornberry are going to be very irritating and piss me right off very quickly.

It´s the same with both parties.

Either way, will you vote for the system´s millionaire ex-lawyer or the system´s millionaire ex-banker? Either way, economy growth will be based on population increase and relative depressed wages and millionaires will become billionaires.
 
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If you look at all the major issues that are in the headlines at the moment, few if any were actually voted for.
 
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For me starmer makes them completely unlikable, he's terrible, has absolutely no charisma, can't debate for toffee, will be absolutely hopeless at negotiating with other leaders, can't stick to anything he ever says and the one that really gets me...."we won't raise taxes for working people" which is just a huge lie.

Who gives a **** if he´s likable or has charisma or can do a lively debate. He should run a country, not present a game show or front a rock band. Switzerland seems to be able to be run perfectly well without the general public in the rest of the world knowing who their politicians are. Perhaps better off if politicians are faceless civil servants who perform duties/orders voted for by the population, using banking apps as identification - no criminals or former criminals or unidentified ppl allowed to vote.
 
Who gives a **** if he´s likable or has charisma or can do a lively debate. He should run a country, not present a game show or front a rock band. Switzerland seems to be able to be run perfectly well without the general public in the rest of the world knowing who their politicians are. Perhaps better off if politicians are faceless civil servants who perform duties/orders voted for by the population, using banking apps as identification - no criminals or former criminals or unidentified ppl allowed to vote.

Their banking system and its clients gives them a wee bit of leverage.
 
One thing I have learnt in a life away from football and NOT606 is that it is the unelected civil servants that run the country and they don't change whichever colour you vote for.

Yup. Them and pressure groups/lobbyists. That's what I was referring to above, when I suggested people look at the key issues in the media, and consider how many of them were voted on in reality.
 
For me starmer makes them completely unlikable, he's terrible, has absolutely no charisma, can't debate for toffee, will be absolutely hopeless at negotiating with other leaders, can't stick to anything he ever says and the one that really gets me...."we won't raise taxes for working people" which is just a huge lie.

Well, he won’t. Unfortunately his definition of working people means he can tax the **** out of most people on here who will be surprised they don’t meet his criteria of a working person.
 
The manifestos aiming to tax the rich more will fall short of their expected targets, as the rich are already upping sticks in record numbers. Taxing them further will simply take money out of the economy.
 
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Not allowing 16yo’s to vote in the Brexit referendum was bordering on criminal imo.

Are you one of those who said the Brexit vote didn’t go the correct way as people didn’t understand the complexities? (Rather condescending of Remainers who would not have said that if the vote had gone their way.) Yet 16 year olds are sophisticated and aware enough? Maybe they should be able to drive, drink and smoke?
 
The manifestos aiming to tax the rich more will fall short of their expected targets, as the rich are already upping sticks in record numbers. Taxing them further will simply take money out of the economy.

More millionaires, 9,500, left this country last year than any other country except China. Some numpty said good riddance. Where do these clowns think the taxes are going to come from? Haven’t they seen the huge percentage of tax paid by the higher earners?
 
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