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That's true, and cars do rust less in hot dry climates. Although they are also subject to other environmental factors like heat perishing rubber, and dust ingress into CV boots and other moving parts. I think a lot of the cars that were built in the 80's and 90's for the UK market also used cheap chinese steel, which was prone to rusting.
But we know that manufacturers have for decades used the principles of 'planned obsolescence' in everything from washing machines, fridges, printers and including cars. Just to keep the manufacturing process going and to sell us more and more stuff. We also had the scrappage scheme in the UK, which was sold as getting old polluting cars off the road, but also ended up being a massive waste of perfectly functioning vehicles and of course meant that car manufacturers could build millions more.
I just think there's a lot to be said for fixing things and using them for their entire lifetime. Our throwaway society and massive consumption is the driver for endless new stuff. I know you're not an EV fan, and it's also worth noting that the energy that goes into building a new car, with all of the components that are shipped to the factory, running the factory itself, all of the people who have to get to the factory to build the thing, then have it shipped abroad, taken to a showroom, the energy involved in running the showroom, the guy who drives to the showroom to sell you the car....... and on it goes. You'd have much less of an impact buying a second hand monster truck
I get your point about throwaway, but something like my tv (LED) I've had for well over 10 years now, never a problem with it, so it is lasting. I'd actually like a new tv, because I can't get the software updates for the add on channels anymore (typical Samsung) - but fooked if I'm binning off a tv with fook all wrong with it. Cars also last 10 years+ now, because they don't rust anymore. The only difference that I see between what you are suggesting to now, is doing away with onboard computers or digital control panels and moving back to manual controlled panels and no onboard computer - so customers or engineers in/at your home can fix them without them being hooked up to an expensive bit of kit for diagnostics (or buy a new panel). Unless we have another war, I can't see us changing what we are currently doing.
I guess a lot of it is about the culture of buying new things. We saw during covid that when goods weren't moving and shops were closed. The economy was in a death spiral. This style of economy only works when people are buying things. So we are not encouraged to use things for their entire lifetime and fix them when they break.
As you allude to, gone are the days of the Haynes manual and your dad fixing his car in the road at home. Most modern cars are just sealed units under the bonnet. With no end user option to fix anything.
I think a lot of it comes down to health and safety. I had an air water cooler that packed up recently, but all that was wrong with it, was the little tiny pump in it had packed up....so what did I do, bought a new one.
In fairness to me, I don't even know if you can buy the pumps, but it's something that could be thought out at manufacture, because it's the only component that can go wrong....but H&S I expect. It's only strapped in with a cable tie to a thin platic pipe/tube.Btw I loved the Haynes manuals back in the day.
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I think a lot of it comes down to health and safety. I had an air water cooler that packed up recently, but all that was wrong with it, was the little tiny pump in it had packed up....so what did I do, bought a new one.
I think apple recently have been made to include user replaceable parts as they were deliberately making sure that people had to buy new iPhones when they went wrong. Imo that principle should be applied (where safe) across the whole consumer industry.
Down here we have 'care and repair' cafe things. Where people bring in their old electrical / mechanical equipment to a local cafe on a certain day and a bunch of mechanical enthusiasts try and fix them. It's a great concept, but then we are a bunch of smelly hippies down here lol
Exactly
Most of these things are assembled by ordinary people on production lines in chinese factories
It's not beyond the scope of most reasonably competent people who can use a screwdriver to fix these things if the replacement components were made available.
CBA
When I'm PM, people's ability to buy new electrical goods will be directly related to their ability to fix them.
I have no idea how I will implement these polices, but Farage has no idea how to implement his either
So all I need to do is go down the pub, drink a pint and pretend to be a man of the people.
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That's true, and cars do rust less in hot dry climates. Although they are also subject to other environmental factors like heat perishing rubber, and dust ingress into CV boots and other moving parts. I think a lot of the cars that were built in the 80's and 90's for the UK market also used cheap chinese steel, which was prone to rusting.
But we know that manufacturers have for decades used the principles of 'planned obsolescence' in everything from washing machines, fridges, printers and including cars. Just to keep the manufacturing process going and to sell us more and more stuff. We also had the scrappage scheme in the UK, which was sold as getting old polluting cars off the road, but also ended up being a massive waste of perfectly functioning vehicles and of course meant that car manufacturers could build millions more.
I just think there's a lot to be said for fixing things and using them for their entire lifetime. Our throwaway society and massive consumption is the driver for endless new stuff. I know you're not an EV fan, and it's also worth noting that the energy that goes into building a new car, with all of the components that are shipped to the factory, running the factory itself, all of the people who have to get to the factory to build the thing, then have it shipped abroad, taken to a showroom, the energy involved in running the showroom, the guy who drives to the showroom to sell you the car....... and on it goes. You'd have much less of an impact buying a second hand monster truck
Thank you Professor Ponky Cocks ..
Doesn’t sound that bad. I normally give £20 to the Albanians for inside and out and then a seagull ****s all over it within a week anyway.
I never wash my car, genuinely don't, it's a lump of metal that gets me from a to b. But if I was to use a car wash, I would be expecting to pay at least a fiver and more. So you got that on the cheap, even if it don't feel like it.
Mate that's probably cheaper than buying a bottle of Turtle Wax cleaner from Halfords.