Election 2024

[Saf]

Especially in fooking Essex...or certain parts of it.

Sunderland is racist central, mate. The BNP were very big there. Tommy Robinson still shows up now and again, too.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Sunderland is racist central, mate. The BNP were very big there. Tommy Robinson still shows up now and again, too.

Was it Sunderland or Boro where there was a Britain First recruitment drive outside the ground?

 

[Saf]

Was it Sunderland or Boro where there was a Britain First recruitment drive outside the ground?

Could have been either. I know Britain First were having rallies in Sunderland. Not sure about at the stadium, though.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

One of Sunak’s protection coppers has been arrested for misconduct after betting on the timing of the election.

 

[Treble]

I had a look up to see what attention this got in the media, came across this article in the Spectator...

It is clear that Mr Yusuf has not thrown his lot in with Reform in spite of its policies on migration, but because of them. Britain, he says, has ‘lost control of its borders’, adding, ‘my parents came here legally. When I talk to my friends they are as affronted by illegal Channel crossings, which are an affront to all hard-working British people but not least the migrants who played by the rules and came legally.’ It shouldn’t really shock anyone, any more than it shocks us to find out that people who pay their taxes are not terribly keen on people who evade them, or that people who took great trouble to stick to the rules during lockdowns tended to be the most upset when it emerged that Downing Street staff treated them with a more cavalier attitude. It is simply human nature: most people who stick carefully to the rules tend to feel affronted when others have cheated.

Yet it seems to confuse many people who, over and over again, get confused by the fact that so many of the politicians who have been toughest on illegal migration have been themselves migrants or the children of migrants. Priti Patel, Rishi Sunak, Suella Braverman, and before them Michael Portillo, for instance. Why are these people taking it out on migrants, their left-wing critics ask when they have benefited from migration themselves? For many progressives, someone like Braverman is a traitor to her own kind; they have to imagine deep insecurities which have led her to this dark place.

Progressives struggle with the likes of Braverman because they see people less as individuals than as members of class, racial, and ethnic identities. If you happen to be a British Asian, then you should share the values of all British Asians. Moreover, you should conform to the opinions which grievance politics has assigned to you – which in the case of ethnic minorities is that Britain is a structurally racist country whose white majority population is out to oppress you whether it means to or not.

But that is clearly not how Zia Yusuf, Suella Braverman, and others think. To them, they are not betraying their own people by opposing illegal migration – or even in wanting to slow down the legal variety. Rather, they are thinking back to the efforts their parents put into coming to Britain – which might have required many years of study, filling in forms, paying for visas, etc. – and they feel offended when they see young men (and they mainly are young men) who are exploiting the asylum process by pretending to be gay, Christian, or telling whatever other tall stories help them to play the system.

It all comes down to a basic sense of fairness. This doesn’t mean to say that a party that focuses on migration doesn’t also risk attracting people who are racists – like Ukip before it, Reform UK will face a constant battle to keep out such people, as we have found with its vetting issues this week. But no one should be surprised if other children of migrants are drawn to a party which is serious about wanting to tackle the problem. Reform UK’s opponents will have to find a more intelligent way of opposing it than simply trying to denounce it as racist.

Fcked if I'm reading that

 

[brb]

Fcked if I'm reading that

Was just thinking about you as I hadn't seen you, thought hope Trebs aint locked out with this site update.

But I thought he'll find a way to let me know.

 

[Treble]

I listened to Sunak with Ferrari on the radio this morning. Ppl called in to ask him questions directly and basically tell him he's full of ****. Starmer had it yesterday.

What was confirmed to me is the bloke just doesn't listen to anyone. I read a couple of weeks ago (after the D Day debacle) that members of the cabinet and his campaign team had said the same. He doesn't listen and just rambles on.

And that's what he did from the moment they turned his mic on.
First caller "What are you going to do to being waiting lists down?"
Answer "We have a plan, we're going to bring down taxes, labour are going to put up taxes, they're going to steal your pensions. I care very much about this country and I don't want that happen. I have a plan so let's stick to the plan..."

Next question "What will you do for young people?
Answer "We have a plan, we're going to bring down taxes, labour are going to put up taxes, they're going to steal your pensions. I care very much about this country and I don't want that happen. I have a plan so let's stick to the plan..."

Next question "What are you going to do about Martyn' Law?"
Answer "We have a plan, we're going to bring down taxes, labour are going to put up taxes, they're going to steal your pensions. I care very much about this country and I don't want that happen. I have a plan so let's stick to the plan..."

He is SO bad at this.

 

[Treble]

Was just thinking about you as I hadn't seen you, thought hope Trebs aint locked out with this site update.

But I thought he'll find a way to let me know.

Long day today so just come on now.

I was logged out which never happens. Then I clocked you'd said the site would be down and logged back in.

 

[Milk..]

He is SO bad at this.

I don't know. Sounds like he has a plan.

 

[Treble]

I don't know. Sounds like he has a plan.

Honestly it was awful. The worst thing was he just talked and talked and talked without saying anything new. Ferrari tried to shut him up a few times to get other questions in but he just carried on like a constipated foghorn.

 

[Treble]

Actually what I've noticed is him and Penny Mordaunt in the debates both do the same thing!

 

[Welshie]

Fcked if I'm reading that

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[Welshie]

George Galloway has weird ****ing eyes doesn't he.

 

[Edelman]

I agree with you, it's spot on. I never ever got putting taxes down my whole life, it just creates gimmicks and tax by some other form.

Hopefully Starmer gets long enough for it to all come together.

At least the thieving should stop, and you can't really put that on any SKY TV chart as income, and even if you could we would still never know the true cost of the financial drain that has gone into the pockets of those that own expensive yachts....so that in itself is a starting block to build back under Starmer.

If people expect significant improvements within 5 years they will be disappointed .
It took 6/7 years the last time Labour where in to see results .
I can't see them getting a big majority after this election and it would take 2 or three terms to do so .
You've only got to look at America to see how hard it is to make significant inroads .
You don't get longer than 8 years there and as soon as Trump got in he scrapped the healthcare bill straight away

 

[Saf]

If people expect significant improvements within 5 years they will be disappointed .
You've only got to look at America to see how hard it is to make significant inroads .
You don't get longer than 8 years there and as soon as Trump got in he scrapped the healthcare bill straight away

FML

 

[Diego]

If people expect significant improvements within 5 years they will be disappointed .
It took 6/7 years the last time Labour where in to see results .
I can't see them getting a big majority after this election and it would take 2 or three terms to do so .
You've only got to look at America to see how hard it is to make significant inroads .
You don't get longer than 8 years there and as soon as Trump got in he scrapped the healthcare bill straight away

Thats all you had to type mate.

 

[KingHotspur]

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[Saf]

None of the main political parties has yet set out convincing plans on how they will improve the NHS, a leading health think tank says.

The Health Foundation said on current spending projections there appeared to be a £38bn-a-year shortfall in England in what would be needed by the end of the next Parliament.

The think tank said that would put plans such as tackling the NHS backlog, improving GP care and redeveloping hospitals at risk.

Neither Labour nor the Conservatives have said how much they will invest in the NHS, while the Liberal Democrats' pledge is well short of what the Health Foundation says is needed.

These were the only three parties the think tank looked at for its analysis.

 

[brb]

If people expect significant improvements within 5 years they will be disappointed .
It took 6/7 years the last time Labour where in to see results .
I can't see them getting a big majority after this election and it would take 2 or three terms to do so .
You've only got to look at America to see how hard it is to make significant inroads .
You don't get longer than 8 years there and as soon as Trump got in he scrapped the healthcare bill straight away

Tbph my only expectation of Labour is seeing improvements no matter how small.

My concern with your comment is you believing they will not get the time required ie a second term....

So what's the point of me even voting Labour if they are not going to achieve anything in the first term and are unlikely to get a majority in the second to keep a clear path of what they want to achieve. We're just going round in circles.

There's only one asnwer to this...

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[brb]

None of the main political parties has yet set out convincing plans on how they will improve the NHS, a leading health think tank says.

The Health Foundation said on current spending projections there appeared to be a £38bn-a-year shortfall in England in what would be needed by the end of the next Parliament.

The think tank said that would put plans such as tackling the NHS backlog, improving GP care and redeveloping hospitals at risk.

Neither Labour nor the Conservatives have said how much they will invest in the NHS, while the Liberal Democrats' pledge is well short of what the Health Foundation says is needed.

These were the only three parties the think tank looked at for its analysis.

I think the Greens are the only one I've seen that seem to take a full on approach to the NHS, not that I know what all this equates to in real terms, and I don't even like them...

https://greenparty.org.uk/2024/06/0...g-investment-to-nurse-the-nhs-back-to-health/

Taken together they are part of a cast-iron Green guarantee to a fully funded fully public National Health Service. Green MPs will continue to fight the privatisation of the NHS at every stage – a commitment no other party is making.