Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

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The thing I learned last night was Starmers ol' man was a tool maker, he put it on the same level as a low grade skill, I was always taught that toolmakers were a craft driven, high grade, precision guided, top earning, skillful, career achievers, funny how things can change in a gereration.
 
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wizered said:
The thing I learned last night was Starmers ol' man was a tool maker, he put it on the same level as a low grade skill, I was always taught that toolmakers were a craft driven, high grade, precision guided, top earning, skillful, career achievers, funny how things can change in a gereration.
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maybe he just put the blanks in a machine to make a screw driver?
 
AshtonRed said:
Didn’t bother, waste of time imo, we know what they’re both going to say, then their teams try to spin it their way, yawn. .
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I basically will wait till after the event [ tv's ] and see the dissemination that follows the comments ... and the "inuendo" they try to put across
 
a few verified facts............
Keir Starmer responded with a big number of his own, saying of Rishi Sunak: "He told us it's their policy to get rid of National Insurance (NI) altogether - that's £46bn."
He's right that abolishing workers' NI would cost about £46bn.
But the prime minister has not said he would do this during the next Parliament.
The chancellor has said it is something he would do when the economy has grown by enough to make it affordable and conceded that it would not happen before 2030.
The £46bn is one of a series of figures that Labour have compiled into a £71bn dossier, many of which are not Tory pledges for the coming Parliament.

Rishi Sunak said “taxes are now being cut”, but Keir Starmer said taxes “are at the highest level for 70 years”.
They are both correct but are talking about different things.
The government has cut NI twice, saving an employee on the average full-time salary of £35,000 about £900 this year.

But at the same time, the amount of tax taken as a proportion of the size of the economy is expected to reach a 70-year-high in the next five years.
That is largely because the points – known as thresholds - at which we start paying tax and higher rates of tax have been frozen.
This means more people are paying tax and higher rates of tax, than if these thresholds had risen along with inflation.

It is important to point out that the thresholds are to remain frozen under both the Conservatives and Labour until 2028.
 
more facts emerge...
Keir Starmer challenged Rishi Sunak to explain how NHS waiting lists are coming down if they’re at 7.5 million now compared with “7.2 million when you said you would get them down”.
Starmer is correct about those figures.

Waiting lists in England have fallen from their peak last September, but are still higher than when Sunak pledged to cut them, in January 2023.
Last September, waiting lists rose to a peak of nearly 7.8 million.

They’ve fallen from that peak. which came AFTER the industrial strikes [ Supported by a number of labour ,P's on the picket lines!!! ] So, Sunak was right to say “waiting lists are coming down” in that sense.

SLIPPERY EEL that KS and his scripting team!

Another slippery manouvre ... illegal crossings..............

Talking about people arriving in small boats across the English Channel, Rishi Sunak said: "We got the numbers down last year by a third."
That is correct - the numbers in 2023 were a third lower than in 2022.......... note talking about a year

But the number of people who have crossed so far this year is at a record high - up more than a third on the same period last year.
Mr Sunak went on to say: “Over the last 12 months, the number of crossings are down a third.” ...That is not quite correct. note should have said "last year..heat of moment/slip of tongue ?"

FACT OF MATTER IS ..IT IS COMING DOWN ...........
As of 3 June, the number of people detected crossing in the last 12 months was 32,338.
This was down by a quarter - or 11,043 people - from the previous 12 months – not by a third.
 
HALFWAY THROUGH THE DEBATE .... NONE OF THEM actually make any sense .......BUT........... 2 things so far ... a good PM?..... Penny Mordaunt as a runner up .... well Mr Farage, keeps a cool head and knows his stuff! Waste of time is the Plaid Cymru big gob ... on a hiding to nothing ... Stephen Flynn batting against the wind HEALTH SECURITY MIGRATION ... the others just make weights.

FROM other post

Well didnt think I would sit through that lot [ multi tasking to boot! ........ ]

When you sort of blow away the chaff and check out the seeds there is quite a picture of the future and it is looking bleak ... you can eliminate Plaid cymru and the SNP AS BOTH WERE HEAVILY LACED with bitterness and sour grapes, both failing dramatically worse than England and NI!.......... it doesnt matter which way you look at it, the past 14 years have been quite a roller coaster,and not really the fault over the past 4 years of any .GOV, as to the waiting lists .. fuel costs .. inflation ... that have beset us today.

WHAT COULD WE DO WITH £470,000,000 ...well the .gov spent a minimum of that amount seeing us through Covid and the start of the war in UKRAINE with fuel bill payments, the rising costs of energy to deliver goods and make them caused inflation to rise and PEOPLE ACTUALLY BLAME THE .GOV for what we have gone through in the past 4 years.... but lets look at the last 14 years also it started in 2010 with a debt of £1,000,000,000...........

Government debt under labour 1997-2010 - Economics Help
... Yes, £1 trillion of that debt was left to us by Labour in 2010. Net borrowing has decreased year on year since, mainly due to careful ...

So to get us to 2019 with almost a clean sheet [ austerity period ] .GOV it seems cleared the best part of £1,000,000,000 well actually as Penny Mordaunt indicated "we did, yes us the population of the UK! "

Income tax LABOUR and the CONSERVATIVES. BOTH AGREED TO FIX the tax thresholds till something like 2026?28? Thats why "THE BALANCE IS OUT OF SYNC"

so who to vote for ... I think FARAGE with about 40 seats in Parliament would be a real fly in the ointment. I think Rishi should stand down, before the election and by default Penny Mordaunt SHOULD TAKE THE REINS....
worst comment of the night was by the PLAID CYMRU geezer slagged Nigel Farage off for a TV interview on DDAY, NFmade him look extremely sheepish when he berated him that the TV interview / appearance was to highlight that HE HAD JUST RAISED £100,000 TO PAY FOR TAXI'S TO TAKE VETERANS to the DDAY events...............
 
Best bit for me was when Plaid guy called NF a bigot :emoticon-0105-wink:

Farage is too marmite, he has an appeal to a certain number of people, but too many dislike him. He’s well known so will attract attention initially, but if they intend to be a serious force, he’ll have to move on relatively quickly imo. Can’t see it personally they’re too divisive.
 
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AshtonRed said:
Farage is too marmite, he has an appeal to a certain number of people, but too many dislike him. He’s well known so will attract attention initially, but if they intend to be a serious force, he’ll have to move on relatively quickly imo. Can’t see it personally they’re too divisive.
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the difference between UKIP and Reform is that only a couple of the UKIP guard are involved the majority is from Tory backgrounds and a number from Labour!

I thought the Lib Dem person was without any REALISTIC "plans that would work as they seemed to be just ideas being put forward ........ the Greens person they do have some good ideas but because they primarily "save the planet" orientated lose appeal as to the funding and the consequences of how they could make it / them work.
 
realred1952 said:
the difference between UKIP and Reform is that only a couple of the UKIP guard are involved the majority is from Tory backgrounds and a number from Labour!

I thought the Lib Dem person was without any REALISTIC "plans that would work as they seemed to be just ideas being put forward ........ the Greens person they do have some good ideas but because they primarily "save the planet" orientated lose appeal as to the funding and the consequences of how they could make it / them work.
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My point was really was around NF, he is divisive, he’s good now to bring attention to them, but if they want longevity imo he’ll need to let someone else take the reins.

I actually like a lot of what the greens had to say. I guess ultimately if we don’t look after the planet everything else is pointless, I take your point though it has to be balanced.
 
AshtonRed said:
Yes, but only teams that play in red will be allowed to win. Also any team that plays in blue quarters are to be lined up and shot <laugh><laugh>
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I would have thought that under a Labour government football would definitely be allowed, but at the end of the game, goals would be awarded to the losing side to make up a draw - then everyone would end the season on the same points.
 
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