Exile, sorry if it upset you but i'm afraid it true, think of his wife and kids and what they are going to have to go through.
Gary Speed has died!
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Totally agree with Exile. We have no idea what led him to this extreme action, and have no right to make assumptions.
Just very sad, and thoughts, obviously with his family at this terrible time. As 1950 says, lets hope, just for once, the press will do the decent thing and let his friends and family grieve in peace.
RIP Gary
Just very sad, and thoughts, obviously with his family at this terrible time. As 1950 says, lets hope, just for once, the press will do the decent thing and let his friends and family grieve in peace.
RIP Gary
Exile / ncgandy, i agree, very sad, but my point was he made the choice, the 6 sailors who were drowned in the Irish sea today were "taken" which is also very sad but they had no choice, people who died in accidents today were "taken", so my point is , he was'nt taken, he went by choice, sad but true.
My thoughts are very much with Gary's family and like you i sincerely hope they are left to grieve without intrusion by the media.
My thoughts are very much with Gary's family and like you i sincerely hope they are left to grieve without intrusion by the media.
If whatever personal crisis he was going through had driven him to take this most drastic of actions then I think you'll find "choice" would have had very little to do with it.
Please take other's advice and leave this thread alone now Monarch, you really don't need to attempt to justify your comments on a subject you clearly know nothing about any more.
Please take other's advice and leave this thread alone now Monarch, you really don't need to attempt to justify your comments on a subject you clearly know nothing about any more.
Very hard not to choke up at some of the tributes we've seen today. 606 with Robbie savage was very emotional. I've slagged off savage in the past but he was clearly completely devestated, fair play to you sav you showed serious bottle today.
Sorry Sid, but i clearly know more about suicides than you, my mother committed suicide, not only did she do it but she phoned me at 1.00 am to tell me what she intended to do and to say goodbye, though i loved her dearly i can never forgive her, there were things i wanted to say, things i wanted to say sorry for but was not give the chance. So yes i understand what his family will go through and my thoughts are with th
Monarch, that's very sad, and I understand how that would hurt. Your points are valid, but this thread was started, I'm sure as a tribute to someone we all feel we know, even if we don't.
As a topic in general, it could be discussed, but to do that here would be a personal intrusion.
As a topic in general, it could be discussed, but to do that here would be a personal intrusion.
It`s selfish but, nobody knows what was going through his mind............I have 3 small kids and no matter how complex or distressing up my life becomes i would never take the cowards way out....Monarch obviously feels very strongly about this issue and his points although harsh are his own....Gary S RIP ..............
even this morning, the news hasn't really sunk in to be honest. truly one of the best footballers the british isles has produced and an outstanding, professional man. football and the world has one great man less following the weekends events. depression is something that i know a little about, not as much as monarch but if you have the time, please all read stan collymore's piece about his own struggles, which he posted on twitter, rather aptly, the day before speed's death. i read it at the time and thought it's an excellent piece. its posted here on the telegraph website...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-tweets-about-his-battle-with-depression.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-tweets-about-his-battle-with-depression.html
i heard 606 too beefy and was holding back the tears. i was listening to 5 live at the time it was announced by leeds fan ian payne, and he was clearly heartbroken and everyone on the show completely stunned. it was difficult to drive to be honest. i can't remember being that shocked by a piece of news before. remarkable really - i never knew speed or had any connection to him, yet it felt somehow like we all did. some people do that
I suffered with clinical depression for 6 months following a marriage breakdown, I also became aggro-phobic for a while too, it's a dark and truly horrible place to be. I recall there was one occasion, which brought about the aggro-phobia where I was walking along side a local river which at that time looked very inviting! On reflection it scared the living crap out of me, hence I stayed in doors practically all the time other than to buy food.
Although the word depression tends to be over used to describe an individuals mood or behaviour, in some cases it is a very real and very scary condition. Would not wish it on anyone.
Monarch, I’m very sorry to hear that, it must have been an utterly devastating event. I wish you all the best in continuing to live and deal with the legacy of it.
That’s a very good piece about/from Stan Collymore, I hope it gives a greater insight of the condition to the wider public.
I’ve had some pretty black periods with depression myself, something that I hid very successfully. To this day there are many very close to me that have no idea. To the outside world I would have seemed absolutely fine.
At its worst, I considered ‘doing something stupid’, and here’s the point of my ‘sharing’. I well understand why people see such action as selfish or cowardice, but that’s often to misunderstand the nature of mental illness. To a stable, sane mind it is utterly selfish. Today, as a well man, I cannot begin to understand how I could have ever had such thoughts. But in the scramble of mental distress it can seem a totally rational decision.
Now of course we have no idea what happened in the case of Gary Speed. It would be quite wrong to speculate, and I’m sure none of us have any interest in doing so.
However, in a much more general way, at the bottom of the decision to take such drastic action very often lies a deeply disturbed mind without the stability to make truly rational choices.
Whatever the circumstances in this case, it’s clearly an absolute tragedy for his family. Let’s hope the press leave them alone.
That’s a very good piece about/from Stan Collymore, I hope it gives a greater insight of the condition to the wider public.
I’ve had some pretty black periods with depression myself, something that I hid very successfully. To this day there are many very close to me that have no idea. To the outside world I would have seemed absolutely fine.
At its worst, I considered ‘doing something stupid’, and here’s the point of my ‘sharing’. I well understand why people see such action as selfish or cowardice, but that’s often to misunderstand the nature of mental illness. To a stable, sane mind it is utterly selfish. Today, as a well man, I cannot begin to understand how I could have ever had such thoughts. But in the scramble of mental distress it can seem a totally rational decision.
Now of course we have no idea what happened in the case of Gary Speed. It would be quite wrong to speculate, and I’m sure none of us have any interest in doing so.
However, in a much more general way, at the bottom of the decision to take such drastic action very often lies a deeply disturbed mind without the stability to make truly rational choices.
Whatever the circumstances in this case, it’s clearly an absolute tragedy for his family. Let’s hope the press leave them alone.
Often the circumstances are completely unfathomable.I had a friend who hanged himself and it turned out he thought he had cancer,which may or may not have been the case, nobody will ever know.I did however become privy to certain information at a later time that put a completely different complexion on the event,which I won't go into.
Suffice it to say,apart from the Dignitas type of suicide,there isn't ever very good reason for it.An ex schoolfriend a lot of years back killed himself because he had spent the firm's Xmas club money on gambling.It was about £500. A schoolteacher near me did it after his PC was grabbed by the police.
Yes it's shaming but even in that case a totally inappropriate action in my view as there was no suggestion of any physical abuse and even the kid's in his class parents were in tears,and incidentally refusing to believe the allegations.
So I think tragedy sums it up.Often the real reason never comes out to spare the family further hurt.I for one thing that is quite right.
Suffice it to say,apart from the Dignitas type of suicide,there isn't ever very good reason for it.An ex schoolfriend a lot of years back killed himself because he had spent the firm's Xmas club money on gambling.It was about £500. A schoolteacher near me did it after his PC was grabbed by the police.
Yes it's shaming but even in that case a totally inappropriate action in my view as there was no suggestion of any physical abuse and even the kid's in his class parents were in tears,and incidentally refusing to believe the allegations.
So I think tragedy sums it up.Often the real reason never comes out to spare the family further hurt.I for one thing that is quite right.
Steve morrison has just been interviewed on talk sport, said some nice words on there about Gary speed and how he was treated by Gary given he just broken into the Wales team when Gary took charge
Monarch, I don't think it is as cut and dry as him making a choice. Illness is not always physical and there is no way anybody would take such an action without being ill. Illness can take the choice away from you or at very least ensure you make the wrong choice.
EDIT: Monarch, I posted reply above before I had read the whole thread. You have obviously had an awful experience that nobody would wish on their worst enemy. Still think my post above is true though. Also agree that this is not really the place to enter into a discussion on the subject. The loss of Gary Speed must be terrible for his family and friends and they are the ones who need to be in our thoughts now. Doubt very much that anything here would ever reach them, but just in case, it is better not to voice opinions just now. Sometimes it is better to bite your tongue as the feelings you have (right or not) cannot assist just now.
I have just been told on fairly good authority that the Sun ' have a story ' but won't now be publishing it. If that is true - and I stress the word IF - then these people have got a lot to answer for and hopefully the current Inquiry will do something about it!!
I have heard that story and if it is true then the reason The Sun won't be publishing it will be simply this - That they would cop it big style for what they have done.In my opinion if it's true then it should come out so that it can be revealed just what these evil scumbags have done.That newspaper should be shut down just as the NOTW was,if necessary by the authorities.This isn't at all about press freedom.
At this time, I don't think we should even be talking about this! What does it matter? All that matters is there is now a widow, two boys without a father, a football nation with no manager, and the rest of us without a kind, honest decent man in this world!
Tabloids! I wouldn't use them to wipe my arse!
I disagree.What they want is that we don't talk about it.Then they will just do it again to someone else.IMHO this gutter journalism has to be legislated out of existence.If it is true the editor should be charged with manslaughter,convicted and the key thrown away.