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Disco down under said:
The Poyet thing really ****ing worries me. I despised the football he had us playing at the end of his time here and to my mind he did not sign well even with a decent budget.

Find it really really off-putting.
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I loved his season one football, season two was ****e. I’d not be convinced Poyet could do all aspects of the role but from a football point of view he did have a whole club philosophy.
 
Pure River Slut said:
It’s an opportunity for a restructure / rejig mind if they do both, but it would have to be done now. I’ll be honest though, I’d be worried if Speakman is leading the decision making about signings after the last bit of mess.
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True, but I think they would have to have someone already selected, interviewed, and appointed at this stage now but yet to be announced. I suppose they could bring someone in alongside Speakman to take over from him when the crucial period is over. I wouldn't have a problem with Speakman overseeing recruitment; I don't subscribe to the theory that he's incompetent.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
True, but I think they would have to have someone already selected, interviewed, and appointed at this stage now but yet to be announced. I suppose they could bring someone in alongside Speakman to take over from him when the crucial period is over. I wouldn't have a problem with Speakman overseeing recruitment; I don't subscribe to the theory that he's incompetent.
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I’d trust him with some things. He’s definitely a good operator but I’ve lost all faith in him making player decisions.
 
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Pure River Slut said:
I loved his season one football, season two was ****e. I’d not be convinced Poyet could do all aspects of the role but from a football point of view he did have a whole club philosophy.
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His season 1 was promotion from L1. Season 2 was playoffs in the Championship. Season 3, if he’d made a half decent head coach appointment when we brought in Beale wouldn’t be seeming too bad in my opinion.

Edit: ignore me, I’m an idiot. I thought you were still talking about Speakman.
 
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Disco down under said:
The Poyet thing really ****ing worries me. I despised the football he had us playing at the end of his time here and to my mind he did not sign well even with a decent budget.

Find it really really off-putting.
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He did a lot of complaining, then and since, about the players he was being given to work with by the DOF Lee Congerton. Reckoned he identified players for specific roles but always ended up with the third or fourth choice. Don’t know how much of that is true but he’s worked with a DOF before and knew exactly what he didn’t like about it. That may be useful in that he could see the bigger picture of both roles. Who knows?
 
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Pure River Slut said:
I’d trust him with some things. He’s definitely a good operator but I’ve lost all faith in him making player decisions.
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Like I've said plenty of times, I think you'd need to see a list of the players he's tried to bring in, but failed to for reasons beyond his control, before making a judgement on that.
 
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Red n white Tractor said:
He did a lot of complaining, then and since, about the players he was being given to work with by the DOF Lee Congerton. Reckoned he identified players for specific roles but always ended up with the third or fourth choice. Don’t know how much of that is true but he’s worked with a DOF before and knew exactly what he didn’t like about it. That may be useful in that he could see the bigger picture of both roles. Who knows?
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Congerton is very respected in the game. I'm just not a Poyet fan at all. Feels like a really weird one to go back to. Ended horribly. That Villa game is the worst I have ever seen Sunderland play. Felt like they could have won 10-0.
 
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Disco down under said:
Congerton is very respected in the game. I'm just not a Poyet fan at all. Feels like a really weird one to go back to. Ended horribly. That Villa game is the worst I have ever seen Sunderland play. Felt like they could have won 10-0.
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This club can do weird things to coaches. Quite a few have bottled decent playing style to go very defensive which rarely works and doesn’t impress the support. It’s basically a long painful resignation letter.
 
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Disco down under said:
Congerton is very respected in the game. I'm just not a Poyet fan at all. Feels like a really weird one to go back to. Ended horribly. That Villa game is the worst I have ever seen Sunderland play. Felt like they could have won 10-0.
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I think Congerton's failings here have more to do with the problems of the Ellis Short regime than anything else. Same goes for Roberto de Fanti.

Strange how Directors of Football always seem to be unpopular amongst our fans.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Like I've said plenty of times, I think you'd need to see a list of the players he's tried to bring in, but failed to for reasons beyond his control, before making a judgement on that.
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We agree on a lot but that’s never disagree on. We can judge him on signings made and positions not filled but not people we tried for. There’s a long game I know but this season has been dreadful and he has to be judged on that, as do others of course. My judgment is - academy good 8/10, first team 2/10.
 
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Pure River Slut said:
We agree on a lot but that’s never disagree on. We can judge him on signings made and positions not filled but not people we tried for. There’s a long game I know but this season has been dreadful and he has to be judged on that, as do others of course. My judgment is - academy good 8/10, first team 2/10.
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Fair enough <ok>
I understand your reasoning. Just not the way I see it.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Like I've said plenty of times, I think you'd need to see a list of the players he's tried to bring in, but failed to for reasons beyond his control, before making a judgement on that.
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I’d agree with that if we were talking about one transfer window. Not bringing in a striker during 3/4 transfer windows is negligent. He should have found a way, it’s his job.
 
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Pure River Slut said:
We agree on a lot but that’s never disagree on. We can judge him on signings made and positions not filled but not people we tried for. There’s a long game I know but this season has been dreadful and he has to be judged on that, as do others of course. My judgment is - academy good 8/10, first team 2/10.
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You’re of course entitled to your opinion so this isn’t meant to sound arsey but 2/10 seems a ridiculously harsh score to me. You compare the club now compared to the day he came in and it’s practically unrecognisable-in a good way. With a few enjoyable times along the way too.

I still think a good head coach makes all seem better too (recruitment, current squad quality etc), his biggest failing, and it is a huge one, was the Beale appointment.
 
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