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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by bradymk2, Oct 21, 2022.

  1. Cityzen

    Cityzen Well-Known Member

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    Stopped flying to reduce your carbon footprint? Or buying fast fashion items manufactured abroad which are an even bigger polluter?
     
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    I think pretty much every country is investing hugely in renewables and there's a race to get to the sweet spot first. Issues are the initial cost, filling capacity, infrastructure and political issues. Germany are reopening coal powered stations because they can't buy oil from Russia.. and their renewable capacity isn't enough, so they have no choice, short of shutting off the power. There's no question that every country is aiming to use as much renewable energy as possible. It's just become a left v right argument amongst us, the ppl.
     
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  3. Cityzen

    Cityzen Well-Known Member

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    So why can’t we open up coal fired power stations or drill for oil in our waters without the eco zealots wailing like banshees and declaring we are responsible for the demise of the world?
     
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    From memory, coal produces less than 1% of uk power these last few years since shutdown began around 2008, and I could be wrong, but there's not be a power cut yet (?) - with the hVdc and nsl sea cables laid now, there's no need for the UK to have coal powered stations anymore - cleaner air for you. Charon is the coal expert on here - knows more than me.
     
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  5. DMD

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    You imagine wrong, and name a person I did not have in mind.
     
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  6. balkan tiger

    balkan tiger Well-Known Member

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    And some big players in the renewable game are getting big subsidies. When everything is taken into account going green may not be as green as they are telling us. Like Drax for one example.
     
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  7. Heimdallr

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    Fossil fuel companies get huge subsidies - couldn't survive without them.
     
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  8. Steven Toast

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    You’re right, there are some big money payments being made in the name of green energy, but I can’t help but feel discussing lobbying negatively in regards to renewables isn’t somewhat ironic given what must be the hundreds of billions spent by tobacco and fossil fuel companies to disparage climate change science and green initiatives.
     
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  9. balkan tiger

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    Not sure it's the companies that get the subs, many countries subsidise their energy costs benefiting their population and businesses.

    Fossil fuel subsidies - top 20 countries US$ billions[37][38][40]
    2020 Explicit Subsidies Implicit Subsidies Total
    Electricity
    Total Coal Total
    China 13.69 15.73 1,391.78 2,187.50 2,203.23
    United States 0.00 16.06 121.45 646.00 662.05
    Russia 25.14 77.36 195.26 445.26 522.62
    India 8.71 16.18 162.72 230.89 247.07
    Japan 2.74 4.75 57.69 164.80 169.55
    Saudi Arabia 8.72 53.75 0.00 104.36 158.11
    Iran 26.51 41.72 4.59 111.05 152.77
    Indonesia 5.49 11.96 32.85 115.13 127.09
    Turkey 0.24 4.11 52.59 112.61 116.72
    Egypt 7.32 9.69 1.89 95.38 105.07
    Germany 0.00 3.43 25.50 68.32 71.75
    Korea, South 0.00 0.58 28.93 68.39 68.98
    Canada 2.43 10.34 3.04 53.69 64.03
    South Africa 5.62 5.72 30.41 44.84 50.56
    Kazakhstan 4.57 9.93 19.11 37.05 46.98
    Taiwan 1.67 2.58 25.42 43.55 46.13
    Australia 2.14 5.57 14.85 38.92 44.49
    Ukraine 4.57 7.76 28.76 35.87 43.63
    Malaysia 0.90 3.52 5.52 39.50 43.02
    Brazil 0.00 5.80 4.60 37.17 42.97
    World total 189.53 454.79 2,362.26 5,402.57 5,857.36

    Didn't quite copy and paste right
     
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  10. steverico

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    I’ve said before the rich don’t give a **** about the climate, the Royals, Richi all booling about in helicopters for short trips, I saw something about 575 private jets leaving the Super Bowl the other week, **** the climate I say, we’re being taken for mugs in this country taxed to **** and nothing will change
     
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    ****s with two BMW's don't help either, oh... :emoticon-0125-mmm:


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  12. Cityzen

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    All the people on here flying off everywhere don’t seem willing to curtail their pleasures.It is up to others to save the planet.
     
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    'All he thinks about is himself and pleasure'. Albert Ladysmith Steptoe. :emoticon-0125-mmm:


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  14. balkan tiger

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    Did you know that international air travel carbon emissions are not counted. Same goes of the military, emissions don't count.
     
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  15. steverico

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    Most families have two or more cars, rather a BMW than a ****ing Astra, chav
     
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    Really? Since when?
     
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  17. steverico

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    What about cruise ships? The most polluting vehicle on the planet, a study found that the 63 ships from Carnival, produced 43% more sulphur than all of the 291 million cars in Europe in 2022, yet we are going to ban gas boilers so the poor will freeze to death in winter.
     
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    No, they don’t. 33% of households is not most.
     
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    Most families I know then.
     
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  20. Charon

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    correct - coal in the UK is history, coal stations closed, demolished and cooling towers flattened - large scale coal burn won't happen in the UK again - as far as UK coal is concerned it's 'dirtier' than other international coal in terms of sulphur and ash content - it's significantly more expensive to extract because many mines are over 2000 feet underground and even then as coal gets extracted near the shaft or the drift it the mining takes place further and further away from the exit point, some coal is a few miles from the pit bottom, bringing coal to the surface in a skip and then washing it to take out the ash is clearly energy / carbon intensive - maybe the odd surface mine / opencast coal where a open pit is dug and coal seams near the surface are extracted may happen but that is an extremely small proportion of UK coal and as you can imagine almost all coal that is easy and cheap to extract has been already - so a future based on using UK coal - nope, don't see it at all
     
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