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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

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    Jonathan Pie with yet another insightful video. This should be used as party political broadcasts to help the hard of thinking to realise just how bad the Tories are.

     
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    He speaks well. I kind of agree with him. In countries where situations are extreme, you have to find new ways to deal with it. The balancing of civil liberty with civil safety is always one of the hardest in any country. I think El Salvador is a place to watch: these kinds of policies work well in times of horror, but can become the horror themselves in times of peace.

    But he is right: what works in one country may not work in another, and the borrowed policies from abroad have one caused his country harm.
     
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    So the Russian pilot who defected to Ukraine has been shot dead. Great to have a Russian leader with such clarity of views and such intelligence :(
     
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    I really hoped I was wrong. But unfortunately the data is now proving the covid vaccines were unacceptably dangerous.
     
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  6. Schad

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    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064.15.0.pdf

    The Trump-appointed special prosecutor has filed their opposition to bail in the Biden 'whistleblower' case, and to the surprise of absolutely no one, it appears that it came from Russian intelligence.


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    Including -- he claims -- the fine folks that make sure defectors like that Russian pilot don't have a nice retirement.

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  7. Schad

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    Good news! You're still wrong. All of those are things whose risk also greatly increases from having COVID, and by much larger amounts than from getting the vaccine. Vaccinated patients were more likely to get Guillain-Barre than unvaccinated people who never had COVID...but they were substantially LESS likely to get Guillain-Barre than unvaxxed people who caught COVID.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19...s-higher-after-covid-infection-study-suggests

     
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  8. StJabbo1

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    More reassurance that the life saving benefits of vaccination greatly outway the risks. Doing simple checks and reading the results of the huge amount research completely refute your scaremongering statement.
    "Myocarditis and pericarditis
    In rare cases, inflammatory diseases of the heart may occur following vaccination with Pfizer or Novavax: myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) or pericarditis (inflammation of the outer lining of the heart).

    The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis ranges between 1 and 10 in 100,000 people per year. The risk of side-effects also depends on the age of the person and on the vaccine. These rare cases of myocarditis and pericarditis are seen most often in boys and younger men between 12 and 40 years old.
    Myocarditis and pericarditis mostly start within the first 7 days after vaccination, and more likely to occur after the second vaccination than after the first. The risk of developing myocarditis and pericarditis after a subsequent vaccination is low.

    Symptoms include shortness of breath, chest pain and a forceful heartbeat that may sometimes be irregular. The symptoms can vary significantly and usually improve on their own or can be treated effectively with medication. People who have these symptoms should consult their doctor."
    https://www.rivm.nl/en/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccination/side-effects

    "Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. In both cases, the body’s immune system causes inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger.

    Symptoms of myocarditis and pericarditis:

    Chest pain
    Shortness of breath
    Feelings of having a fast beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
    Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly."
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
     
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  9. StJabbo1

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    Being an old fart with respiratory problems I did a lot of research before and during my ongoing vaccination programme. This five minute read along with many similar from verifiable sources completely vindicate my decision.
    https://www.ncoa.org/article/covid-vaccines-what-seniors-need-to-know
     
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  10. Schad

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    Also, while we're on the subject of brave truth-teller Tucker Carlson, he conducted an interview yesterday with Lydia Brimelow, about the fact that she has been 'cancelled' for expressing her views on immigration.

    What that actually means: Lydia, and her husband Peter, write for and run (in Peter's case) the website VDARE, which is one of the most prominent white nationalist websites in the United States, which got deplatformed by Facebook and a couple other sites. The controversial view on immigration that VDARE expresses is that America should become a white ethnostate and that non-whites should be deported en masse before they harm America's racial purity.

    You don't accidentally host one of the Brimelows. You don't suggest that VDARE is "controversial...to some" without knowing what it's actually about. Tucker Carlson is not a seeker of answers: he's a white nationalist working hard to mainstream the lunatic fringe of white nationalism.
     
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    Where did the image you posted come from? It completely misrepresents the Bloomberg article https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ne-study-yet-finds-links-to-health-conditions .You should retract it from wherever you posted and apologise for posting scaremongering misinformation.
    "Vaccines that protect against severe illness, death and lingering long Covid symptoms from a coronavirus infection were linked to small increases in neurological, blood, and heart-related conditions in the largest global vaccine safety study to date.

    The rare events — identified early in the pandemic — included a higher risk of heart-related inflammation from mRNA shots made by Pfizer Inc., BioNTech SE, and Moderna Inc., and an increased risk of a type of blood clot in the brain after immunization with viral-vector vaccines such as the one developed by the University of Oxford."
     
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  12. StJabbo1

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    So besides appearing to mislead parliament over her calling the former PO chair a liar Badenoch has another row over her claim that she was engaged in trade talks with Canada last month.
    She told MPs on the business select committee on 29 January that talks with Canada were “ongoing” to avoid a tariff cliff-edge for UK car manufacturers. But the Canadian high commissioner to the UK, Ralph Goodale, wrote to the committee to insist these talks never happened.
    In his letter, published on Tuesday, Goodale wrote: “As far as I am aware, since the UK announced its pause on January 25th, there have been neither negotiations nor technical discussions with respect to any of the outstanding issues.”
    The committee’s chair, Liam Byrne, demanded that Badenoch correct the record on the trade talks. “Without doubt there are now some questions to answer,”
    Blatant lies from she who is a frontrunner to replace Sunak as leader after the tories are decimated in the upcoming GE.
     
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  13. It'sOnlyAGame

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    What's this going on at the House of Commons? The Speaker should be neutral in his role but is being accused of a substantial breach of procedures. Lindsay Hoyle is a former labour MP.


    SNP complains Labour amendment has been selected

    SNP MP Owen Thompson, the party's chief whip, complains the opposition Labour amendment has been selected when today is opposition day for the SNP.

    He said: "We've already had a significant delay to the start of this motion and now we appear to be doing things in a way that's never been done before... What's the point?"

    The Speaker says "I've made a judgement... That is my ruling and I'm not taking any more points of order".

    Fury in the Commons, while Starmer avoids potential rebellion

    Harry Farley

    Political correspondent

    I am sitting in the gallery looking over the House of Commons where roughly two-thirds of MPs are absolutely furious with the Speaker.

    The noise from the chamber is deafening with the SNP and the Conservatives livid at Sir Lindsay Hoyle. Labour MPs sit quietly in their seats.

    That is because the Speaker will allow votes on the Labour amendment and the government one, as well, to the SNP motion. That is highly unusual to allow an opposition party – in this case Labour – to amend a motion from another opposition party.

    “Disgrace,” shouted one SNP MP. “Bring back Bercow,” shouted a Tory MP, referring to the previous holder of the speaker's post, John Bercow. “You ought to be ashamed of yourself,” said another.

    The reason they are so annoyed is it means Sir Keir Starmer can avoid a potentially damaging rebellion.

    He can now tell his MPs to back Labour’s wording. If Labour’s amendment was not selected, some Labour MPs would have been tempted to back the SNP’s wording calling for an “immediate ceasefire”.

    Did Labour pressure Hoyle?
    BBC Newsnight political editor Nicholas Watt has posted on X to say that Speaker Lindsay Hoyle was told he would not be re-elected if he did not call Labour's amendment.

    Watt writes that senior Labour figures told him that Hoyle "was left in no doubt that Labour would bring him down after the general election unless he called Labour’s Gaza amendment".
     
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  14. StJabbo1

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    And later
    "SNP will back Labour's amendment
    The SNP Westminster leader Stephen Flynn says in a statement his party will now back the Labour amendment.

    In a statement, he welcomes Labour's change in position, which he says follows "months of public and SNP pressure".

    He says: "While the Labour Party amendment is deficient in a number of ways, we will nonetheless vote for it to maximise the chance of the UK parliament supporting an immediate ceasefire.

    "Should it fall, we urge all MPs to back the SNP motion in kind."

    Crossparty points scoring. load of bollocks we've come to expect from the majority of MPs.
     
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  15. Saintjoey

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    What an absolute mess.
    They’re all a disgrace for making this so politically charged.
     
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  16. StJabbo1

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    Deluded Jenrick appears to think the Israelis will be able to eradicate Hamas. They may well considerably reduce their military capacity but Hamas will continue with greater support and will rebuild.

    Still no answer to why the warnings of imminent attack from IDF spotters and international sources were ignored.
     
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    The Speaker's made a right mess of this.
     
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    Meanwhile, no one in Gaza or Israel is in the slightest bit affected by what the UK Parliament votes for.
     
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  20. San Tejón

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    Global warming? No such thing according to some.
    Tomorrow's forecast where I am, (Costa Blanca) in February. I haven’t needed any heating for the last 4-5 days. Crazy weather.

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    There’s a reservoir in Catalonia where the spire of an old church used to be seen above the water. Levels are so low now you can see the entire building.
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