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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    Problem is that they print money to erode their long term debt.

    The US is now 33 trillion in debt and almost at the point where it can’t even afford to pay the interest on it. So they are now stuck in between a rock and a hard place. They have to print to inflate away the deficit; but if they do they’ll cause even more inflation.

    The next decade should be extremely interesting geopolitically
     
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  2. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    Ask Gordon Brown for advice, his plans after the global financial meltdown were widely lauded. Unfortunately not used by the incoming Tory administration who introduced the disastrous austerity measures.
     
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  4. San Tejón

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    Also worth looking at because it shows Sunak’s tax return for 22/23.
    His income of £2.2 million was taxed at a level that was similar to that of a person earning £41,600 pa, something I read elsewhere, but shows how high earners are being given a very easy ride with regards to Capital Gains Tax.
    It also, IMO, shows why very wealthy people enter politics. Not to help the people but to be in a position to reduce the tax burden for themselves and other wealthy people.
     
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  5. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Which, after all, was what Brexit was actually all about.
     
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  6. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    Indeed
    So the Tories want to reward owning more than earning
    Capital gains should be higher than PAYE
     
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  7. Saintjoey

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    It’s there to encourage investment, plus the money that you’re putting into that has already been subject to income tax. Labour have said they will keep it the same, too.
     
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  8. Osvaldorama

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  9. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    Although …

    “The former Conservative chancellor Nigel Lawson set the rates of CGT at the same level as income tax in 1988, saying: “In principle, there is little economic difference between [earned] income and capital gains ... And in so far as there is a difference, it is by no means clear why one should be taxed more heavily than the other.”

    “Those who can manipulate the tax system in their favour tend to be those with high incomes or high levels of wealth, leaving a larger tax burden on younger people and those on lower incomes, further perpetuating inequalities between and within generations,” it added”

    “The tax privileges granted to those with unearned income in the UK are also over- generous by European standards, the report said. “For example, in Germany the annual exempt allowance is only €1,000 and all capital gains are taxed at 26.38%, while in France unearned income is taxed at 30-34%”
     
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  10. tomw24

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  11. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Sounds like complete bollocks to me.
     
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    He's been quoted saying it.
     
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  13. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yeah and I'm saying he's talking bollocks that he said that at a NATO meeting.
     
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  14. tomw24

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    Well no he didn't. He said it at one of his rallies. Doesn't make the comments any less dangerous though. Madman.
     
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  15. Libby

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    Read the article again. It clearly states he's claimed to make these comments at a NATO meeting.

    Addressing crowds during the rally in South Carolina, Mr Trump said he had made his comments about Russia during a meeting of leaders of Nato countries.

    He recalled that the leader of a "big country" had presented a hypothetical situation in which he was not meeting his financial obligations within Nato and had come under attack from Moscow.

    Mr Trump said the leader had asked if the US would come to his country's aid in that scenario, which prompted him to issue a rebuke.

    "I said: 'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'... 'No I would not protect you, in fact I would encourage them to do whatever they want. You gotta pay.'"
     
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    Sorry, yes, I'm still half asleep. Yeah, seems like he's clearly bullshitting there.
     
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    Yeah I don’t disagree with that, I’m just saying the logic is to encourage investment to obtain returns at a lower rate. Hence why both parties have committed to not reducing it.
     
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  20. San Tejón

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    I had a quick look at that and Southampton West and Southampton Itchen have 32000+ unregistered.
     
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