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This was all so predictable, and expected based on his extremely limited management gigs.

How on earth a custodian of safc thinks a bloke who has the following CV would ever be a good fit is beyond me.

A. Never managed a full season before.
B. Was recently sacked from rangers for taking them to the heady heights of 3rd in a 2 horse race with his club one of the 2 horses.
C. Next to zero standing in the game as a respected ex player.
D. Nobody following safc advocated this bloke as far as I'm aware.

His man management was called out at rangers and is unfolding before our eyes as the wheels come off this squad. Absolutely convinced they could barely have made a worse appointment and that's not hindsight as a young squad and an out of depth academy coach with woeful man management skills is an absolute recipe for disaster in a football sense.

Speakman seems to want to surround himself with small characters and has to split or avoid people with more understanding and experience than him. Breathtaking arrogance is the reason imo and totally misguided.

And he displays anti leadership qualities just to top things off.
 
Lb might be the most important as we dont have any at the minute

Those 3 positions are a must for us in this window but theres def more that Beale can do to get a tune out of these players
They may be more he can do, but without reinforcements coming it's a huge ask

Edit. I haven't seen anything to suggest Beale can get it right here, he's had 2 full weeks with the squad and we have gone backwards.
 
This was all so predictable, and expected based on his extremely limited management gigs.

How on earth a custodian of safc thinks a bloke who has the following CV would ever be a good fit is beyond me.

A. Never managed a full season before.
B. Was recently sacked from rangers for taking them to the heady heights of 3rd in a 2 horse race with his club one of the 2 horses.
C. Next to zero standing in the game as a respected ex player.
D. Nobody following safc advocated this bloke as far as I'm aware.

His man management was called out at rangers and is unfolding before our eyes as the wheels come off this squad. Absolutely convinced they could barely have made a worse appointment and that's not hindsight as a young squad and an out of depth academy coach with woeful man management skills is an absolute recipe for disaster in a football sense.

Speakman seems to want to surround himself with small characters and has to split or avoid people with more understanding and experience than him. Breathtaking arrogance is the reason imo and totally misguided.
This has absolutely no bearing on someone's ability to coach at the highest level and has been proven both ways (great managers having had little to no playing career and great players being appalling managers) time and time again.
 
This has absolutely no bearing on someone's ability to coach at the highest level and has been proven both ways (great managers having had little to no playing career and great players being appalling managers) time and time again.

Aye but when you add it to the other facts it's another negative - there's literally nothing saying this is a good move for Safc - we have another academy/junior coach added to Dodds and proctor who are similar - no wonder the players don't know wt is going on during the game.
This will unravel so quickly and won't be arrested until speakman admits he's messed up or is shown the door along with Beale and we look at the way the club is run if the owner is serious about moving safc forward.
 
Aye but when you add it to the other facts it's another negative - there's literally nothing saying this is a good move for Safc - we have another academy/junior coach added to Dodds and proctor who are similar - no wonder the players don't know wt is going on during the game.
This will unravel so quickly and won't be arrested until speakman admits he's messed up or is shown the door along with Beale and we look at the way the club is run if the owner is serious about moving safc forward.
But Beale isn't an academy/junior coach. He was, but hasn't been for a number of years. Same with Proctor. Even if they are junior coaches, getting the message across to kids is arguably harder than it is to senior players. And even then, we have a lot of young players in our squad who may respond better to coaches who are more familiar dealing with youth players.
 
I was massively underwhelmed and disappointed when we got him, not because of how he looks, talks or where he’s from but because of the CV he had. He hadn’t earned to be given the job at for me was one of the most exciting jobs in England (especially outside the prem). That said I had similar feelings with Mowbray (nowhere near as strong mind) but was proven wrong and last season was my most enjoyable following the lads.

I was willing to give him a chance, undoubtedly appears to have a decent rep as a coach, he’s received a lot of plaudits and hoped this would be a good structure for him to succeed. I’m surprised by how poor we’ve been under him, the stats showing regression are actually unbelievable that they could even be achieved. I’d be absolutely fine if he went today. I’d guess if we lose the next 2, especially with poor showings, the clubs hand will be forced by the fan reaction.

My worry with it is though, if the pool of managers we looked at included Beale, and he was the top choice of that group, then I dread to think who we go for next. Someone like Cooper sounds sensible but is he realistic? Doesn’t feel like it at the moment.
 
Bad appts can happen in football but the best clubs will realise it quickly n do something about it. The fact fans are chanting for him to go already says it all, once you lose the fans its a long road back n i just dont see him doing it

He isnt a leader imo, he might be great on the training field but a lot of his job is man management n thats where he fails for me

I dont think hes the only problem with the coaching set up tho, i think whoever comes in nxt has to be allowed to bring in the people they trust. Think keeping dodds n proctor for the sake of contunity is just wrong. We need to be brave as a club to get back to where we should be n i think admitting we made a mistake with Beale should be the start

Of course there will be people saying he needs time to implement his ideas however the way we are playing is identical to how rangers played under him

A bad start against stoke n the ground will turn toxic. The atmosphere sounded so bad last night n the loudest we were, was when he got boo'd at the time - never a good sign
If the style of play isn’t right that is where Speakman should come in. Believed idea was you swap out the coach but keep playing the same style. 2 wingers, high press, attacking football. Beale isn’t delivering that and needs a rocket up the proverbial which is Speakman’s responsibility. If Speakman isn’t doing that buck moves to KLD. A performance culture needs accountability.
 
Somebody who is better than me at techy stuff hoy the Michael Beale parody interview up off You Tube. Scarily close to the truth :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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I was massively underwhelmed and disappointed when we got him, not because of how he looks, talks or where he’s from but because of the CV he had. He hadn’t earned to be given the job at for me was one of the most exciting jobs in England (especially outside the prem). That said I had similar feelings with Mowbray (nowhere near as strong mind) but was proven wrong and last season was my most enjoyable following the lads.

I was willing to give him a chance, undoubtedly appears to have a decent rep as a coach, he’s received a lot of plaudits and hoped this would be a good structure for him to succeed. I’m surprised by how poor we’ve been under him, the stats showing regression are actually unbelievable that they could even be achieved. I’d be absolutely fine if he went today. I’d guess if we lose the next 2, especially with poor showings, the clubs hand will be forced by the fan reaction.

My worry with it is though, if the pool of managers we looked at included Beale, and he was the top choice of that group, then I dread to think who we go for next. Someone like Cooper sounds sensible but is he realistic? Doesn’t feel like it at the moment.
Disagree to an extent about his CV. Its very good and he's coached for some massive clubs and done well. What his CV might be pointing to though, is that he's better as a number 2.
 
Disagree to an extent about his CV. Its very good and he's coached for some massive clubs and done well. What his CV might be pointing to though, is that he's better as a number 2.

It's not very good at all. It's inexperienced and mediocre at best.

The fact is he hasn't completed a season as a manager/HC anywhere.
Won 9 lost 8 at QPR.
Sacked by rangers when they were 3rd behind Celtic by 7 points and St mirren by 3 points.

That is not a good CV for anyone being lined up to be safc manager/HC.
 
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BEALE ON SACK CHANTS

Michael Beale has reacted to 'sacked in the morning' chants following our defeat against a weakened Hull City side.

BITTERLY DISAPPOINTED
"I think this young group are finding that difficult, it's the first time I've faced it. I'd ask the fans to get behind them, I get the frustration. They can see the effort of the park from the players and any help they can give them, they have to understand the strength of that... when you're at home and at a club like this you expect to win and we're the same, we're bitterly disappointed.”

GET BEHIND THE PLAYERS
"I'm only a month into the job. It shows the expectation on managers now. I think the fans have to get behind the players on the park because they're a young group, and I don't think they realise the strength of their support to that young group in there. I'll take what comes my way, I'll take the responsibility of managing this club. It is what it is, if you win games people are happy and if you don't, they're not. For me, the result tonight was harsh on us."

MOWBRAY WAS GOOD
"It shows that Tony did a good job, that the fans are passionate and liked him. That's gone now, it isn't coming back, he's the manager of a rival club in the Championship now. He's got a lot of well wishers at the club, he's a man that I know from coaching against him and on the circuit, and he's a guy that I like. It is a decision that had nothing to do with me, I came in after that decision.”

DOING MY BEST
"I'm doing my best with the staff that we've got and this young group to fulfil our ambition. We've got 18 games to go and we're in a better position than we were in this time last year, so I think see the positivity. It's a club that a lot of players want to play for, that a lot of people would like to coach. That should tell you something."
Was warned he would deflect everything and twist situations to blame others On top of throwing players under the bus last few games He puts it on the fans
On Beale out chants “It’s the first time I’ve faced it.” Rubbish he got worse every week at rangers
“I’m doing my best with the staff I’ve got”. Not his fault then down to Dodds and co.
I’m starting to see why Rangers fans really disliked the man

These are all the things you’d expect from an outgoing manager who’s been here too long and is struggling not someone who has barely put his foot in the door Up there with Moyes we are in a relegation battle

Desperate to give the lad a chance but this is not going to end well
 
He has to go. He was never the right choice and I can’t see him ever convincing the fans. Sometimes the best you can do is fail fast.

There are loads of rumours doing the rounds about issues behind the scenes. No idea how true they are but we could do with some of them being true(rumours of physical confrontation) so we could put all the blame of Beale and not the club being a basket case with clueless leadership.
 
Was warned he would deflect everything and twist situations to blame others On top of throwing players under the bus last few games He puts it on the fans
On Beale out chants “It’s the first time I’ve faced it.” Rubbish he got worse every week at rangers
“I’m doing my best with the staff I’ve got”. Not his fault then down to Dodds and co.
I’m starting to see why Rangers fans really disliked the man

These are all the things you’d expect from an outgoing manager who’s been here too long and is struggling not someone who has barely put his foot in the door Up there with Moyes we are in a relegation battle

Desperate to give the lad a chance but this is not going to end well

Unbelievable comments. He is a weed. Imagine trying to change the narrative when everyone is booing you to say we need to support the players more.

Weak and zero leadership.
 
Disagree to an extent about his CV. Its very good and he's coached for some massive clubs and done well. What his CV might be pointing to though, is that he's better as a number 2.
Yeah, I meant CV in the sense of being the main man, especially at a club our size. Probably the best structure for someone like him to succeed with how he only has the coaching element to deal with rather than all the transfers etc like a standard ‘manager’.

Tbf if we’d got another manager in and he joined as first team coach or assistant I think people would have been happy.
 
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I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I want him to be given a bit more time to see if he can make it as gaffer.

He is still getting to know the squad and what ability and strength each player has.

I just think it's a bit premature to be pulling the trigger, but understand the frustrations of a percentage of our fans.

Having said all that, I think he has three games to save his job. If he has poor results against Stoke (h), Boro (a) and Plymouth (h) I think he'll be shown the door before the Huddersfield (a) game on the 14th Feb, where hopefully, there won't be a Valentine's Day massacre. :emoticon-0100-smile
 
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Unbelievable comments. He is a weed. Imagine trying to change the narrative when everyone is booing you to say we need to support the players more.

Weak and zero leadership.
Politian speak. Like "I'm sorry if what I said offended you"
No apology just puts it back on you for being offended.

Does this sound familiar from a man who claims he hasn't experienced it before
Note they are booing the team not him
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