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remembercolinlee said:
Seating at stadiums, all ticket matches, clamping down on anti social behaviour, better stewarding and the open opposition to racism, sexism and homophones have all contributed to more children, women, non white people and openly gay people going to games.
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Yeah, **** those confusing words! <grr>
 
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A match decided by two Anthony Taylor decisions.

Cole Palmer was probably Chelsea's most dangerous player.
I can see why we're looking at Gallagher, though.
He was heavily involved throughout and never stopped running.
 
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A match decided by two Anthony Taylor decisions.

Cole Palmer was probably Chelsea's most dangerous player.
I can see why we're looking at Gallagher, though.
He was heavily involved throughout and never stopped running.
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The problem is consistency. Clearly reds have been given for similar challenges. Would be interested if anyone on VAR for that decision had been involved in any previous similar incidents where red cards were given.
 
vimhawk said:
The problem is consistency. Clearly reds have been given for similar challenges. Would be interested if anyone on VAR for that decision had been involved in any previous similar incidents where red cards were given.
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Michael Salisbury was on VAR for this one.
I think he's been on it for two red cards this season.
Both were given to Forest's opponents and they lost both games! <laugh>

The first was Rodri's, which involved him grabbing Gibbs-White round the throat.
I'd say that was fairly uncontroversial.
The second was Dunk getting sent off for abusive language, so he wasn't involved.
 
Spurf said:
Not to mention the many fans who have been priced out from this working man's game.
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It was never a good thing that it was thought of as a working man's game. Sport and culture should be open to all, not restricted by class, sex or anything else. It's the bread and circuses model of society in disguise.
 
remembercolinlee said:
Some traditions are good so I'm favour of them. Workers being in unions and fighting oppression are two examples. Public services to support the less well off in society being funded by taxing those with wealth is another.
They are worth keeping no matter how many complain that these are "out of date concepts".

Other ideas (as you mentioned) should be ditched.

Seating at stadiums, all ticket matches, clamping down on anti social behaviour, better stewarding and the open opposition to racism, sexism and homophones have all contributed to more children, women, non white people and openly gay people going to games.

So has TV showing live games.

However some traditions in football are changing for the worse IMHO.

And I include Friday night football, playing the fa cup final before the league season is finished, getting rid of cup replays cos the top European teams would rather play more matches in Europe cos they make more money, ticket prices and putting matches on at a time that makes it impossible for away fans to get home by public transport in this category.
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I agree with most of that but public transport hasn't been a viable cheap option for football fans for many years. Most travel by coach I think.
 
PowerSpurs said:
It was never a good thing that it was thought of as a working man's game. Sport and culture should be open to all, not restricted by class, sex or anything else. It's the bread and circuses model of society in disguise.
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Whether you like it or not that is what it was. Interest from the middle classes only came in the PL era.
Football is not now as open to all as it had been. Money rules.

How many toff footballers can you name PS?

Your arguments are good but sometimes you enter fantasy land.
 
Quick, honest answer: Gianluca Vialli. This was the house he grew up in:
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It's the Castello di Belgioioso in Cremona, if anyone wants to look it up.
Our own Hugo Lloris had rich parents, too. His mother was a lawyer and his dad was a banker.
Probably not living-in-a-castle rich, admittedly.
 
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Quick, honest answer: Gianluca Vialli. This was the house he grew up in:
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It's the Castello di Belgioioso in Cremona, if anyone wants to look it up.
Our own Hugo Lloris had rich parents, too. His mother was a lawyer and his dad was a banker.
Probably not living-in-a-castle rich, admittedly.
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They don't fit into an English class system. The game has changed post PL.
 
Spurf said:
They don't fit into an English class system. The game has changed post PL.
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Sport in the UK (England especially) reflects the class system.
Rugby (Union) and cricket is played seriously only in private schools and the % of international players who have been privately educated reflects this. Football is played in state schools - although time and resources count against it when compared to the commitment private schools can give to their chosen sports. But rugger and cricket are the sports of Empire. They are predominantly played in countries which are former colonies; they remain by and large elitist.
We still have a King; we still have a landed gentry; we still have a feudal system to all intents and purposes.
This is the U.K. it won’t change. Nothing new revealed; nothing to see here.
 
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