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Dier Hard said:
Rooney canned by Birmingham after about 15 games, lol.

What is it with that former golden generation of great footballers all being terrible managers?

Neville lasted about 10 minutes at Valencia. Rooney took Birmingham from 5th to 20th in just a couple months. Gerrard’s flopping in Saudi after flopping at Villa and Lampard does no good wherever he goes.
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I don't think that this is anything new.
What were their equivalents from the previous generation?
Terry Butcher, Trevor Francis, Glenn Hoddle and Ray Wilkins, perhaps?

A lot of the best modern managers weren't outstanding players.
Guardiola's probably the most obvious exception and Simeone might be the other.
England appears to have stopped producing top managers in the 70s, unfortunately.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
I don't think that this is anything new.
What were their equivalents from the previous generation?
Terry Butcher, Trevor Francis, Glenn Hoddle and Ray Wilkins, perhaps?

A lot of the best modern managers weren't outstanding players.
Guardiola's probably the most obvious exception and Simeone might be the other.
England appears to have stopped producing top managers in the 70s, unfortunately.
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The greatest England team the 66 wc winners produced 1 manager of note Big Jack and even then only really with the Republic. Alan Ball was the 66 equivalent of Fat Frank and Moore, Hurst and Charlton had very short managerial careers.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
I don't think that this is anything new.
What were their equivalents from the previous generation?
Terry Butcher, Trevor Francis, Glenn Hoddle and Ray Wilkins, perhaps?

A lot of the best modern managers weren't outstanding players.
Guardiola's probably the most obvious exception and Simeone might be the other.
England appears to have stopped producing top managers in the 70s, unfortunately.
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There is little evidence to support the theory that being a top player has any positive bearing on being a manager.
In fact, experience seems to show that it's a hindrance. My take on that is that the likes of Keane or Gerrard don't understand that the players they are working with don't have anything like their ability or drive. You can't just be the Pied Piper and expect others to follow your example. They may get respect for their feats as players, but not as managers. They are still seen as one of the lads. They come with nothing but their reputation as players.
SAF is obviously the best example of a successful British manager of the PL era. His traits were similar to others who had succeeded before him. He was a strong personality and character. He knew how to organise and when to delegate - particularly regarding technical aspects of coaching and player recruitment. He was able to command respect and commitment. He was clearly in charge and above the players. He knew when to be authoritarian and when to be sensitive. He was grounded, down to earth, a family man and had life experience outside football. The culture and values he stood for meant trying to improve and develop the players as people, not just footballers. The environment created enabled the players to succeed. And he didn't have a successful playing career to point to to back him up. It takes a lot more than just inspiration based on what you've done yourself.
 
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littleDinosaurLuke said:
There is little evidence to support the theory that being a top player has any positive bearing on being a manager.
In fact, experience seems to show that it's a hindrance. My take on that is that the likes of Keane or Gerrard don't understand that the players they are working with don't have anything like their ability or drive. You can't just be the Pied Piper and expect others to follow your example. They may get respect for their feats as players, but not as managers. They are still seen as one of the lads. They come with nothing but their reputation as players.
SAF is obviusly the best example of a successful British manager of the PL era. His traits were similar to others who had succeeded before him. He was a strong personality and character. He knew how to organise and when to delegate - particularly regarding technical aspects of coaching and player recruitment. He was able to command respect and commitment. He was clearly in charge and above the players. He knew when to be authoritarian and when to be sensitive. He was grounded, down to earth, a family man and had life experience outside football. The culture and values he stood for meant trying to improve and develop the players as people, not just footballers. The environment created enabled the players to succeed. And he didn't have a successful playing career to point to to back him up. It takes a lot more rthan just inspiration based on what you've done yourself.
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There were definitely stories about Hoddle and Zola not understanding average players.
I think Hoddle was at Swindon and he was trying to explain how to ping a ball 50 yards to feet.
Yeah, that's not how it works, Glenn! <laugh>

Zola had to be asked not to train with West Ham when he was their manager.
He kept embarrassing the players and it was hurting their morale and personal confidence.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
There were definitely stories about Hoddle and Zola not understanding average players.
I think Hoddle was at Swindon and he was trying to explain how to ping a ball 50 yards to feet.
Yeah, that's not how it works, Glenn! <laugh>
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The explanation is actually very simple :

I tried to hit a 50 yd pass to feet. And I failed.
And I tried again, And again. For years and years.
And one day, I couldn't stop not failing to do it.
 
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Looks like Dortmund are trying to get Sancho back on loan.

Sweet deal if they pull it off. Bag £75m for him and get him back on loan within a couple years.
 
I missed the liverpool game last night, how did Jota deal with being asked about taking a dive for the 2nd penalty, after all they wasted no time when interviewing Harry Kane
 
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Alfie Conn said:
I missed the liverpool game last night, how did Jota deal with being asked about taking a dive for the 2nd penalty, after all they wasted no time when interviewing Harry Kane
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In fairness it was Jota's first dive, probably not experienced enough to comment on it.
 
Diego said:
Bruno is **** at it, he's never got close to Kane standard or frequency.
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He's the posterboy for diving. It's as embarrassing as your claims.
 
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The Changing Man said:
The greatest England team the 66 wc winners produced 1 manager of note Big Jack and even then only really with the Republic. Alan Ball was the 66 equivalent of Fat Frank and Moore, Hurst and Charlton had very short managerial careers.
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I remember Jacks Boro team which was about as much fun to watch as looking out the window watching the rain fall and like the present rain it seemed to last for ever
 
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