Match Day Thread Hull City v Sunderland

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They are paid handsomely to defend for 90 minutes.Clarke got that shot off far too easily and the game was over,earlier attempts in defence counted for nothing,we need to work on stopping opposition players cutting inside and getting shots off unchallenged?
Christie in back to back games. Coyle stopped him admirably with Delap and Morton supporting for 60 minutes.

See a lot of people banging on about experience (not you Ric) but Christie is the epitome of that and he’s constantly letting us down. We need young hungry players chomping at the bit coming off the bench not players who’s legs have gone especially in wide areas.
 
They are paid handsomely to defend for 90 minutes.Clarke got that shot off far too easily and the game was over,earlier attempts in defence counted for nothing,we need to work on stopping opposition players cutting inside and getting shots off unchallenged?

Footballers are paid too much. But no amount of money will achieve perfection. The goal was inevitable in my view because they attacked well in numbers and gave us plenty of warning before that. I was impressed with their fluidity. It was why we had to score at least one. It should be a minimum expectation at home, no matter who we’re playing.
 
We will probably have to agree to disagree. I think there a plenty of good options on the bench (Traore, Lokilo, Vaughan) and players on the pitch who I’d replace (e.g. Twine, Seri).

We do play well at times, as a team. But in the wrong areas. I think others (e.g. GFAW) are on to something when they say Rosenior is yet to prove himself as a manager who can attack.

I agree on Coyle. He was superb.

I also agree that Sunderland weren’t much better. They were just as wasteful at times, which is a good job. But we were at home. We should have attacked more.

I agree at large points we didn’t look or feel like the home team. I think that falls down to 2 parts. One being Sunderland being really brave in their set up. They pressed with 4 and blocked off the avenues to Morton and Seri they left some huge gaps behind which we sometimes got to but didn’t take advantage of. The second is our lack of adjustment to it. They dominated the middle of the park and we didn’t really tweak around it. Without Allsop’s ability to pick a longer pass the game became more compact. I haven’t watched it back yet but that’s what it felt like anyway

regarding the squad depth. I think there is some but it’s largely in same areas of the pitch. We have an abundance of attacking midfielders who of a similar level (Twine, Tufan, Traore) and very little width or attacking options. What its led to is Rosenior sacrificing the defensive stability we had last year to force opportunities. With a bit of bad form happening I think a rethink of the total game plan may be in order just to stop shipping goals. We have individual quality up front that can nick a game 1-0 now so maybe it’s time we have some games like that.

The squad isn’t fully complete and again next year, unless we do go up, will have to go through a mini rebuild again as a large part of our core is built through loan players. It’s getting there and it’s frustrating as I feel despite all these issues we could be 4th had some bounces gone our way but that’s the game really without parachute money.
 
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Christie in back to back games. Coyle stopped him admirably with Delap and Morton supporting for 60 minutes.

See a lot of people banging on about experience (not you Ric) but Christie is the epitome of that and he’s constantly letting us down. We need young hungry players chomping at the bit coming off the bench not players who’s legs have gone especially in wide areas.
Coyle always gives 100%.He might not be the most gifted player on the books but he has the heart of a Lion,it's a pity we don't have more like him(I exclude Delap from that comment).

Christie has shown his worth in recent games...Zero!!! Seri isn't much better,in my opinion he's become a luxury we can ill afford and I'm pretty sure we'll see improvement in midfield when he drops out of the squad mid January...
 
Coyle always gives 100%.He might not be the most gifted player on the books but he has the heart of a Lion,it's a pity we don't have more like him(I exclude Delap from that comment).

Christie has shown his worth in recent games...Zero!!! Seri isn't much better,in my opinion he's become a luxury we can ill afford and I'm pretty sure we'll see improvement in midfield when he drops out of the squad mid January...
Who have we got to come in for Seri? Docherty?
 
-> Slater at LB worked as Coyle did a good job on Clarke.
It's easy to say we shouldn't play Twine on the wing, but who else is there? Lokilo & Allahyar aren't fit enough for 90, Vaughan we've only seen bits of this year so it was between Twine and Adama.
We know LR wants wingers, we went into the final few days of the summer window wanting 2 but we didn't get any. It happens. There's a fair few clubs in this division that blow us out of the water financially.
-> Then play Allahyar and Lokilo for 45 minutes each Shark... Allahayr needs to be in the window too, not on his backside... our use of substitutes/squad leaves more than little to be desired...

I don't get that 1st sentence! Coyle is a RB and that's where he should be playing. Nothing to do with Slater at LB working.
LB position has been a disaster for us this season. Rosenior got his man and it's worked out great - he's either been injured or when available not favoured. It was beyond stupid (no matter who's fault) clearing out both our LB's and only bringing in 1 senior LB who had a suspect injury record anyway. "We'll have 2 players for every position"! I don't like Greaves at LB but he was the obvious option today, and previous weeks (given Rosenior stays fixated on his way).
Re. Twine on the wing. There's plenty of options. Not only to play others that can actually play that role, like Lokilo, Allayhar, Vaughan, even if it's 45 mins each as TC says, or Connolly (with Delap central and one of the others or Christie on the right). Or call me crazy but how about Rosenior having some flexibility instead of being fixated, meaning to set us up to best utilise what we do have available until we do have what he needs to play his Rosieball?
24k there, subjected to that. Bore them to death for 80 mins, other than glimpses of individual brilliance from Delap, then have a go when it's likely too late. (Harsh on Morton, he was class, trying to make something out of a pigs ear).
 
Coyle always gives 100%.He might not be the most gifted player on the books but he has the heart of a Lion,it's a pity we don't have more like him(I exclude Delap from that comment).

Christie has shown his worth in recent games...Zero!!! Seri isn't much better,in my opinion he's become a luxury we can ill afford and I'm pretty sure we'll see improvement in midfield when he drops out of the squad mid January...

I think Morton is better upfield, but then so is Tufan so it’s a bit of a dilemma. A new CM with energy would be ideal. You’d love to say Doc would do it, but I think his race is run with us.
 
Slater played yesterday
we dont have two Slaters
So Slater comes in for Seri but who comes in for Slater's old position? Docherty?
So you think Slater Mk1 should continue at LB?!
Greaves to LB (yes, I know), unless we bring in a LB before Seri goes.
 
I've watched our game back and the glaring thing, as I said in the dying moments of the game, is that our players are miles apart.

If we want to be doing this death by a thousand passes routine, the players need to watch teams that are actually good at it.

For starters, Seri and Morton need to be up and down the park constantly. Morton was, but Seri just isn't mobile enough and it's allowing teams to just walk through our midfield because they aren't being closed down. Out of possession, we need to hunt in packs and close the ball down, not just walk around expecting the opposition to make a mistake or, worse, the defence to deal with it. Our midfield needs to be dynamic and I've said this from Day 1, it's just too slow. For all the flair in the world, Morton doesn't put a tackle in, so having him and Twine and Tufan (who to his credit has started getting stuck in) and Seri means that nobody is trying to win the ball back and we just get mowed through when out of possession.

I know Seri is a great footballer, but he just doesn't work in this type of set up. It was like when we had Thudd; if you're playing him as part of a 4-3-3 with him as the sitting midfielder, it's not too bad because there are two other midfielders working alongside him. Play him in a 4-2-3-1 and there's only one other guy to help out. He's a quick passer of the ball and has great vision, which sort of brings me to my next point, which is...

When we pass, the ball takes a ****ing age to get to where it's going and that's because the players are far apart. Get them in closer, the ball doesn't have to travel as far and you can press forward much quicker. Even the ball across the defence is slow, I'm surprised there aren't more interceptions from the opposition.

Sky Sports recently did a mini documentary of Fabregas coaching at Serie B side Como 1907. They play a very similar style and he outlines exactly how that style of football should be played. Very fast tempo, players confident enough to take on opposition without fear of losing the ball. That's clearly what we're trying to do, we just don't do it quick enough.

Sounds kinda nerdy, but something I say to new players on the video game I play (a first person shooter) is that one of the first things you need to learn is "anticipation without hesitation". Don't wait for the opposition to do something, make them do what you want them to do, dictate the game. If you know what your opponent is going to do, you don't need to adjust what you're doing because 99/100 times they'll do the thing they usually do.

For me, in January, the left back situation needs sorting out. Either James Furlong isn't good enough, which is baffling because he hasn't been in the U21s AFAIK and he hasn't played for us either, despite us using everybody else we possibly could there, or Liam favours Coyle there. I assumed Coyle/Christie/Greaves played there because we had no other options and it was temporary, but I'm starting to think there's a tactical decision behind it. Forget Vinagre, great player, but if we're serious about promotion, he can't possibly be first choice. Still think Derry Murkin would have been a good signing, but he went to Schalke instead. Ridvan Yilmaz isn't getting much game time at Rangers, get him in.
Absolutely this. Not only are the players not close enough but by the time our wingers receive the ball they have their backs to the opposition’s goal with a man marking them, usually resulting in a pass backwards or losing the ball. Sunderland showed how receiving the ball facing forwards naturally opens up the attack and creates space for those in support. They routinely ended up with four or five players in our box whereas we struggled to get numbers in theirs. It’s a constant theme that’s so frustrating to watch.
 
I think Morton is better upfield, but then so is Tufan so it’s a bit of a dilemma. A new CM with energy would be ideal. You’d love to say Doc would do it, but I think his race is run with us.
You're probably right about Docherty and if the lad wants Football on a weekly basis then he needs to go,he's not going to get it here.I think he's a half decent player and he has huge amounts of energy but he's not blessed with the skills required at this level.

We have too many attacking midfielders but we also have players who can adjust,maybe Tufan with his skill,passing ability and vision could be used to our advantage and cover for Seri during his absence but ultimately we need to recruit.
 
It’s clear that we need players in January. A direct replacement for Seri is a must. Sorting out the full back situation is next. I’d rather see Coyle and Greaves as our full backs at the moment and leave a settled back four. Delap is a centre forward. Sharp might be an interesting player alongside him. Campbell and Windass Mk 2 ? It’s possible. More cover on the wings and leave Morton and Twine in their best positions. Too much messing about with changes at present. Need to keep players in their best positions and let them play.