House of Saudi sabbatean
House of Rothschild sabbatean
Now why would they want peace when thy true religion is death and destruction
WAR! What is it good for?
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House of Saudi sabbatean
House of Rothschild sabbatean
Now why would they want peace when thy true religion is death and destruction
Tbh there's far too much nonsense with ppl being offended by what is said rather than what is being done. And there's a lot of propaganda at the moment being whipped up to shut down anyone drawing attention to the underlying cause of this decades-old conflict, which that chant is all about.
On a wider point, a lot of ppl jump onto the twisted (non-factual) narrative of the Hamas charter, they should perhaps take a look at Likud's charter which says the same about Palestinians lol, but nobody will report on that.
Does either of those mean that both have never negotiated before or aren't capable of negotiating in the future, of course not. The only truth is both are capable of committing unbelievable atrocities if they don't. I'd rather focus on what they are doing as a driver to finding peace, but instead, there's a concerted effort to use what x, y, or z
has said to write off out of hand any attempt for negotiations. I do wonder what motivates ppl to think like that.
There's genuine anti-semitism and racism and then there's the smokescreen of anti-semitism labelled against any criticism of Israel and its actions.
Netanyahu uses/abuses that term all of the time, lashing out with anti-semitism accusations against anybody who dares to criticise his regime.
He even called the International criminal court anti semitic when they've tried to investigate Israel's war crimes in the West Bank. And he's labelled individuals and organisations that boycott Israeli products anti semitic.
Doesn't stop him cosying up to actual anti-semites though if they help him maintain power.
He's full of **** and so are the people who band that term around whenever Israel's actions are questioned.
Doesn't suit the propaganda narrative
But like you say....
"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs."
I deliberately didn't quote it for a reason though. There are other parts which ppl can see for themselves if they want, but it's pointless. I don't see why you've posted it tbh, it serves no purpose. It means little in terms of realpolitik, both have negotiated and can be made to negotiate again by honest brokers with the strength and leadership to do so. That's only if you want the killing to stop, but there are some who don't and will use those statements as an excuse.
Think it’s a fair point that of all the horrible **** going on in the world it’s a jewish state reacting to 1400 being killed, babies in ovens and girls raped and paraded in the streets that provokes Russians to go on a pogrom and 100,000 wet bellends march through London.
It doesn’t mean in itself that Israel is blameless but where’s the similar heat for Sudan, Yemen, the Muslims in China etc? Hard to conclude anti-semitism isn’t a bit of a factor.
I think it's more the case that our government at least calls out those other examples you've given and doesn't outright support them.
The public tend to march when we're complicit in things which are perceived as mass murder or atrocities that endanger civilians. Hence a million marched against the Iraq War without anyone claiming we were all wet bellends favouring Saddam. We should be doing more to highlight our involvement in Yemen I agree though.
Because it always gets conveniently side stepped in favour of what Hamas' charter
People march against all sorts of regimes, but like the Iraq war, it's usually the issues that the UK Govt have a direct input in that bring out the big crowds and media coverage.
So no, I don't think it's linked to anti-semitism at all. Anti Isreali polices and anti UK complicity maybe, but again the jewish angle is this is a conflation.
Antisemitism in the US is reaching "historic levels" in the wake of violence in Israel and Gaza, FBI Director Christopher Wray has warned.
Speaking to a senate panel on Tuesday, Mr Wray said 60% of all religious-based hate crimes targeted Jewish people.
He added that the figure had likely increased amid anger caused by the ongoing violence in Gaza.
Other countries, including the UK and France, have also warned of a recent major uptick in antisemitic incidents.
"This is a threat that is reaching, in some way, sort of historic levels," Mr Wray told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
He added that although Jews make up only about 2.4% of the US public, they account for about 60% of all religious-based hate crimes.
"The Jewish community is targeted by terrorists really across the spectrum," he testified.
Speaking to a senate panel on Tuesday, Mr Wray said 60% of all religious-based hate crimes targeted Jewish people.
He added that the figure had likely increased amid anger caused by the ongoing violence in Gaza.
Other countries, including the UK and France, have also warned of a recent major uptick in antisemitic incidents.
"This is a threat that is reaching, in some way, sort of historic levels," Mr Wray told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
He added that although Jews make up only about 2.4% of the US public, they account for about 60% of all religious-based hate crimes.
"The Jewish community is targeted by terrorists really across the spectrum," he testified.
It is weird that when ppl are being genuinely anti-Semitic the usual response is, you can be critical of Israel but there's no place for anti-Semitism (which I agree with).
Then when ppl ARE critical of Israel, it gets labelled as anti-Semitic
I'd love to hear David Baddiel's thoughts on this
Also appears to be a huge increase in attacks in France.
Tbh, this is all the wider Muslim populations who are looking for a scrap. France specifically with its massive North African population.
Palestinians are a convenient scapegoat for some teenagers to spray paint on walls and smash a car
Tbh, this is all the wider Muslim populations who are looking for a scrap. France specifically with its massive North African population.
Palestinians are a convenient scapegoat for some teenagers to spray paint on walls and smash a car
For the majority I’m sure you’re right but there’s a sizeable minority using it to have a pop at non-Israeli Jews or for their political ends. Less so here but it’s getting closer if people are painting stars on French homes. I’ve grown my beard and carry a small copy of the Quran at all times.