Match Day Thread Hull City v Southampton

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Or when Connolly 'nicks' an 88th minute winner at 10 man Blackburn, or rescues a point in the 86th minute against Coventry.

That's football. Close games can often go either way, the point is we've been out played over the 90 only once this season despite a very tough opening dozen games and maybe only 2 or 3 times in the 40 games Rosenior has been in charge.

Still doesn't mean you reach for the axe though, especially when we're so very close to being a very good side at this level.
 
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A very enjoyable game of football, first half we played some of the best football thus far IMO. The game hinged on the subs they could bring on against what we had available. Their subs won them the game, whereas, in my opinion, the subs we made were mostly understandable, but the likes of Allahyar and Tufan, they have been out for a number of weeks are rusty, so failed to have any impact on the game.

I certainly don't get the negativity, we are playing much better football that under Shota. Coaches need time to build a team, and it can take 4 or 5 windows to get it right, we have a dressing room that is together, but we have to give managers time. Look at Moyes at WH last season, had a poor season league wise, fans were calling for his head, but they stuck with him and are doing well again. Even McKenna at Ipswich has been there since 2021, has had time to get his squad together, IMO we just need to be patient.

As mentioned, for the first 60 minutes I thought we were very good, both Seri and Morton control the midfield, but the substitution definitely changed the game in Southampton favour. I understood Coyle coming on for Christie as he was being given a torrid time by their winger Sulemana. Though both their goal were nearly identical, LB position, they got to the byline and cutting back into the centre. Vinagre looks okay going forward, but is more a wing back than a full back, so defensively a bit suspect.

If we play like we did yesterday in games going forward against most other teams we will win games, in the first 12 games we have played all the 3 relegated clubs, and bar losing yesterday to more or less the last kick of the game, we have matched them. Keep the faith.
I commented earlier that we seemed to have a tough first quarter of the season.
On current league standings, by November 4th we will have played 15 games and will have played 9 of the top 10 teams. I suspect no other teams have had a more difficult start. Being within 2 points of the playoffs is actually a very good achievement. Let’s judge how we are doing at the turn of the year.
 
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I commented earlier that we seemed to have a tough first quarter of the season.
On current league standings, by November 4th, we will have played 15 games and will have played 9 put of top 10 teams and are still just 2 points from the play offs. Let’s judge how we are doing at the turn of the year.
As someone pointed out yesterday, we have a little run just before Christmas where we play a lot of the stragglers or teams in the bottom half. See how we do from those. Mind you knowing our luck they'll suddenly hit form by then!
 
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I personally wouldn't go that far, I think he'll make a career in coaching/management. I just think he's very much in the mold of Phil Parkinson (when he came to us) in that he's really inexperienced but thinks he can change the world with his, his way or the highway attitude. LR is still learning his trade, he's only got 54 games as a head coach/manager and it shows in the way he's doing things and talking imo.

Im selfish, I want a quality experienced manger in charge of us who can tap into his wide range of experience, tactical knowledge, in game contacts and reputation to bring in the correct players etc. I just don't think we get any of that with LR.

LR in 8/10yrs would be absolutely amazing for us I've no doubt and I would have loved to see any player that served us as well as LR did be a success for us. But I am almost certain we have just got him to early in his career and it'll spoil things for us and him, which is a huge shame.
Parkinson comparison is an interesting one. Can see some parallels, although he had at least served an apprenticeship of 3 seasons with Colchester, including an over achieving promotion season. Rosenior's experience doesn't even come close to that! Hope it turns out far better but not at all convinced it will, and not even seeing why anyone should logically expect it will.
All ended well for us when Parkinson was sacked! Replaced by a manager who had several years learning under Todd and Allardyce, plus the scars / experience of his season in charge at Derby (!). Rosenior simply hasn't got all of that under his belt, nor a Nobby in his corner, and I think it shows. It's such a big ask and I fear Acun has been naive again (hate criticising him)
 
Parkinson comparison is an interesting one. Can see some parallels, although he had at least served an apprenticeship of 3 seasons with Colchester, including an over achieving promotion season. Rosenior's experience doesn't even come close to that! Hope it turns out far better but not at all convinced it will, and not even seeing why anyone should logically expect it will.
All ended well for us when Parkinson was sacked! Replaced by a manager who had several years learning under Todd and Allardyce, plus the scars / experience of his season in charge at Derby (!). Rosenior simply hasn't got all of that under his belt, nor a Nobby in his corner, and I think it shows. It's such a big ask and I fear Acun has been naive again (hate criticising him)

Rosenior has had the playing career at a different level to Parky. Also started his coaching apprenticeship as a player, took youth teams at Brighton and was a significant part of a remarkable managerial rearguard at Derby that season they got more points than us with a team of kids and geriatrics but went down and finished below us only on a points deduction.

He's probably had as much or more coaching experience than Parkinson had at the time of his appointment here.

Parkinson had 3 stable years at an obscure club then couldn't replicate it in the spotlight.

Rosenior has had to deal with circumstances way beyond that and has always been in the spotlight.
 
Rosenior has had the playing career at a different level to Parky. Also started his coaching apprenticeship as a player, took youth teams at Brighton and was a significant part of a remarkable managerial rearguard at Derby that season they got more points than us with a team of kids and geriatrics but went down and finished below us only on a points deduction.

He's probably had as much or more coaching experience than Parkinson had at the time of his appointment here.

Parkinson had 3 stable years at an obscure club then couldn't replicate it in the spotlight.

Rosenior has had to deal with circumstances way beyond that and has always been in the spotlight.

He loves the spotlight and perhaps/maybe thats what doesn't endear him to the likes of me...
 
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You mean owner, pundit, failed manager and formerly imperious England and Man U midfielder?

Didn't realise he was still in the game barring his investments.

What's he up to currently?

*or maybe I should have prefaced the question in terms of the modern day - ie
Last decade.

But Scholesy loved it in his heyday, just as they all do. Otherwise why get out of bed?
 
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Probably down to these are good areas we get in. Often teams have plenty of players back because of how slow we get the ball forward so players have to make perfect decisions for us to score goals.

Also defensively we are ****e. Have been all season, being bailed out by the goalkeeper consistently papering over the cracks

Wasn't the criticism of Alsopp via Cardiff that he couldn't save ****e?

He saves his fair share. But so does Ingram and that's what keepers are for.

Alsopp is probably as good as Darlow in terms of distribution.
 
You mean owner, pundit, failed manager and formerly imperious England and Man U midfielder?

Didn't realise he was still in the game barring his investments.

What's he up to currently?

*or maybe I should have prefaced the question in terms of the modern day - ie
Last decade.

But Scholesy loved it in his heyday, just as they all do. Otherwise why get out of bed?

I'd say son at spurs is someone who's not interested in the limelight. I suppose the real question is can top top players actually live a life without being in the limelight these days with cameras everywhere, social media demanding constant posts and updates, paps following players everywhere etc....whether they want to be in the limelight or not?
 
I'd say son at spurs is someone who's not interested in the limelight. I suppose the real question is can top top players actually live a life without being in the limelight these days with cameras everywhere, social media demanding constant posts and updates, paps following players everywhere etc....whether they want to be in the limelight or not?

It's something a manager employed by an international media company to coach their football club is going to have to be comfortable with.

There's times he hasn't helped himself in his pressers, but he's not as grating as a Pearson, Adkins, McCann or Shota ( who could work that **** out?) in the press for me.
 
Rosenior has had the playing career at a different level to Parky. Also started his coaching apprenticeship as a player, took youth teams at Brighton and was a significant part of a remarkable managerial rearguard at Derby that season they got more points than us with a team of kids and geriatrics but went down and finished below us only on a points deduction.

He's probably had as much or more coaching experience than Parkinson had at the time of his appointment here.

Parkinson had 3 stable years at an obscure club then couldn't replicate it in the spotlight.

Rosenior has had to deal with circumstances way beyond that and has always been in the spotlight.
You seriously underestimate the players Derby still had at their disposal, interestingly a blend of seasoned wise heads (&leaders) and youth. The points deduction did for them, not the players that they had.
The more interesting Rosenior comparison was against what followed Parky. It's indisputable that Rosenior is serving his senior men's football management 'apprenticeship' with us ... and without the benefit of a seasoned right hand man (a Nobby type), because he thinks he's Mourinho and doesn't need it. <Ok, I'm exaggerating a little for effect, but probably not much)
 
You seriously underestimate the players Derby still had at their disposal, interestingly a blend of seasoned wise heads (&leaders) and youth. The points deduction did for them, not the players that they had.
The more interesting Rosenior comparison was against what followed Parky. It's indisputable that Rosenior is serving his senior men's football management 'apprenticeship' with us ... and without the benefit of a seasoned right hand man (a Nobby type), because he thinks he's Mourinho and doesn't need it. <Ok, I'm exaggerating a little for effect, but probably not much)

He's employed as head coach.

He has the preceding coaching structure under him as did Shota.

Walker has taken McCann's Cliff role, but at first team level, the coaching staff haven't been brought in by the head coach since the Silva experiment.
 
He's employed as head coach.

We saw first hand how derby polished youth that year as we saw ourselves with Malcolm last season. - difference being he was by then sitting on a prem contract as opposed to be fighting for his career at a club with a real chance of liquidation.

Liam has the preceding coaching structure under him as did Shota and Grunt respectively.

Walker has taken McCann's Cliff role, but at first team level, the coaching staff haven't been brought in by the head coach since the Silva experiment.

I know - I don't think we've got defensively ****e all of a sudden, just they've been asked to take more risks to create more chances.

Generally speaking.

As can be seen by the advanced position of at least 1, if not both fullbacks this season as opposed to last in a lot of games.

Against So'ton we just ran out of steam after staying with them so long and the subs couldn't get in the game.

But we're not particularly leaky even with a bit less solidity.

We just need to capitalise more on good situations in their 3rd.

It'll come..
 
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