Match Day Thread Brighton and Hove Actually v LFC

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I think the Jones one was harsh, it was a yellow imo, but it's a subjective decision and it's one that can go either way, and pales into insignificance with the offside shambles.
I'd have accepted it more if Hooper had given it at the time, but he gave a yellow, and VAR called him to review and showed him footage heavily weighted to make him change his mind.
Yes, I'm a Liverpool fan, but I'm also a supporter of fair play and justice - I think VAR should stop showing these stills and slo-mo reels that make things look worse than they are. Real-time replays first- at better angles than the ref had - would be a better way of helping him come to a fair conclusion, then slo-mo and stills if he's still unsure.
I was out and missed the Kovacic ones - I'll have to take a look.

what we have to ask ourselves here is this, (now that enough time has passed.)

was hoopers yellow a clear and obvious error?

aka should var have intervened and asked him to look again?

if the answer is yes then the next question is whether var have a right to pause a shot on the worst possible angle and exclude other angles.

are they assisting or are they painting a picture to get what they want?

then roll forward to a clear an obvious vsr error

then roll forward to a ref who's had a half time to know he's mind after seeing the red and offside (if he is even competent he would want to see all at ht)

and find said ref going out of his way to throw yellow after yellow at lfc players including a non foul trip over himself yellow thst jota got for being near a spurs player followed by a yellow on a lunge that other refs the following week refuse to give.

we sit here having seeing kovacic let off far worse than both Jones and Jota.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

There are lots of little things that don't get attention that affect results like the fact it wasn't even a free kick leading to Brighton's second. On the Spurs game, which I didn't watch but had a look because there was mention of a bit of controversy. A corner taken with a rolling ball should be brought back and retaken. Both things rarely happen ie. rolling ball and retake so they go virtually unnoticed. As I said, minor issues leading to big(ish) consequences. They happen to all teams all the time.

The bottom line is we have officials not fit for purpose and a system in VAR which was supposed to help but being in the hands of the very same officials, makes it not fit for purpose either.

for the record I'd have given that free that Brighton got. no issue for me as he's cut off by two players

 

[johnsonsbaby]

for the record I'd have given that free that Brighton got. no issue for me as he's cut off by two players

As I said, it's one of those little niggly things that could go either way. Most weeks it wouldn't be given. No big complaint from me as it was hardly a game changer (other than it affecting the end result).

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

As I said, it's one of those little niggly things that could go either way. Most weeks it wouldn't be given. No big complaint from me as it was hardly a game changer (other than it affecting the end result).

I'd say the ref was quite consistent in giving frees for anyone flopping over.

he jumped into a closing gap and flopped over so got a free all his mates got.

we are not urgent enough.to attack those situations earlier.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I'd say the ref was quite consistent in giving frees for anyone flopping over.

he jumped into a closing gap and flopped over so got a free all his mates got.

we are not urgent enough.to attack those situations earlier.

I wonder when the referees are going to get together and decide they're not going to be conned anymore by the floppers. They must surely watch games back and take lessons from them ......

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I wonder when the referees are going to get together and decide they're not going to be conned anymore by the floppers. They must surely watch games back and take lessons from them ......

you'd wonder but it's self preservation.

the more meaningless frees given the less they run and less chance if a bad foul too.

they quite like a broken up game themselves

 

[johnsonsbaby]

you'd wonder but it's self preservation.

the more meaningless frees given the less they run and less chance if a bad foul too.

they quite like a broken up game themselves

Yeh, I was thinking when I wrote my earlier comment I could have stopped at they're not fit ....

 

[Zanjinho]

Why 5 points?
Genuine question.

I get you believe either 2 or 3 points from our game with you but confused about the rest tbh.

We drew with Brentford where they got a softish penalty via VAR.

We beat united who should have had a penalty for handball but we should have got a penalty for a foul so that evened itself out.

Bournemouth and Burnley weren't controversial at all.

We beat Sheffield United.

We drew with Arsenal with them getting a handball penalty which in some cases VAT hasn't given.

We won at the weekend and the ref disallowed a luton goal for a definite foul on the defender...Luton didn't complain.

Like I said genuine question.

The ball was still moving when you took the corner for your goal against Luton. Minor thing but VAR are supposed to check (should have ruled it out imo)

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Why 5 points?
Genuine question.

I get you believe either 2 or 3 points from our game with you but confused about the rest tbh.

We drew with Brentford where they got a softish penalty via VAR.

We beat united who should have had a penalty for handball but we should have got a penalty for a foul so that evened itself out.

Bournemouth and Burnley weren't controversial at all.

We beat Sheffield United.

We drew with Arsenal with them getting a handball penalty which in some cases VAT hasn't given.

We won at the weekend and the ref disallowed a luton goal for a definite foul on the defender...Luton didn't complain.

Like I said genuine question.

Luton let them off massively. ten men amd didn't equalise by missing a massive sitter.

that's 2 points right there.

they picked up at least, AT LEAST, two points due to ref and var against us.

 

[remembercolinlee]

Luton let them off massively. ten men amd didn't equalise by missing a massive sitter.

that's 2 points right there.

they picked up at least, AT LEAST, two points due to ref and var against us.

In fairness we should have been 4 up in first 20 mins tbh

 

[remembercolinlee]

Luton let them off massively. ten men amd didn't equalise by missing a massive sitter.

that's 2 points right there.

they picked up at least, AT LEAST, two points due to ref and var against us.

Gotta be honest but I hadn't noticed that.

 

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[Gerrardsitchyear]

I think the Jones one was harsh, it was a yellow imo, but it's a subjective decision and it's one that can go either way, and pales into insignificance with the offside shambles.
I'd have accepted it more if Hooper had given it at the time, but he gave a yellow, and VAR called him to review and showed him footage heavily weighted to make him change his mind.
Yes, I'm a Liverpool fan, but I'm also a supporter of fair play and justice - I think VAR should stop showing these stills and slo-mo reels that make things look worse than they are. Real-time replays first- at better angles than the ref had - would be a better way of helping him come to a fair conclusion, then slo-mo and stills if he's still unsure.
I was out and missed the Kovacic ones - I'll have to take a look.

I believe that its against the PGMOL's own rules to present the ref with a still image like that, with no context. They ****ed up with that and pretty much gave the ref no choice, it was as good as saying in his ear "you have to give a red card here".

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I believe that its against the PGMOL's own rules to present the ref with a still image like that, with no context. They ****ed up with that and pretty much gave the ref no choice, it was as good as saying in his ear "you have to give a red card here".

Isn’t that pretty much what happens anyway? Prob about 99% of the time they go to the screen they change their mind. If we want to speed things up, rather than the ref standing still in middle of pitch for 3 minutes while var check and then send him to the screen.

They should either not bother with the second part and just get var to say to ref you’re wrong overturn your decision (like cricket).

Or get the ref to run up to the screen to check it at the same time as var and they can talk it through together.

Currently all that happens is var review it, then send ref to look at it to change his mind anyway.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

no they have to review and recommend


they are assistants


video assistant referee.

not a over ruling force.

it was very clear Darren England was bribed and went out of his way to deny us a goal.and get a player sent off

 

[Zanjinho]

I think they need to scrap the ref going to the screen completely. VAR is only intervene if there's been a clear and obvious error so by being called to the monitor he's being told he's ****ed up and needs to change his decision. Just make the decision for him.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I think they need to scrap the ref going to the screen completely. VAR is only intervene if there's been a clear and obvious error so by being called to the monitor he's being told he's ****ed up and needs to change his decision. Just make the decision for him.

I think they need to scrap the ref going to the screen completely. VAR is only intervene if there's been a chest and obvious error so by being called to three monitor he's being told he's ****ed up and needs to change his decision. Just make the decision for him.

I hear you.

And I hear you again.

might need Mito to translate though

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I hear you.

And I hear you again.

might need Mito to translate though

you've passed you mitoese gcse by now. don't pretend you couldn't understand every word.

 

[saintanton]

you've passed you mitoese gcse by now. don't pretend you couldn't understand every word.

We're all working on our Master's by now.

 

[LuisDiazgamechanger]

I wonder if there is a direct communication between the linesmen and the VAR?. If there's none, it is time there is one. Howard Webb has suggested there is none in his recent statements,