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Match Day Thread Spuds v LFC
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VAR now release image showing LFC's goal was clearly offside
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Howard Webb: ‘As you can see with this previous incident between Spurs and Liverpool, unlike Curtis Jones, the player in question is in fact the England captain, therefore it was the correct decision not to send him off.’
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JONES WILL BE SUSPENDED UNTIL NOVEMBER.
With an international break scheduled between the matches against Brighton and Everton, Jones’ opportunities to play will likely be limited to the Europa League, and a senior England call-up seems improbable. While Liverpool has the option to appeal the red card, as was the case with Alexis Mac Allister, the circumstances surrounding Jones’ case are not as straightforward.
RETURN TO THE FIELD
If the three-match ban holds, Jones is expected to make his return to domestic action on November 1, when Liverpool faces Bournemouth in their next League Cup tie.
- Brighton (A) – Sunday, October 8
- Everton (H) – Saturday, October 21
- Nottingham Forest (H) – Sunday, October 29
With an international break scheduled between the matches against Brighton and Everton, Jones’ opportunities to play will likely be limited to the Europa League, and a senior England call-up seems improbable. While Liverpool has the option to appeal the red card, as was the case with Alexis Mac Allister, the circumstances surrounding Jones’ case are not as straightforward.
RETURN TO THE FIELD
If the three-match ban holds, Jones is expected to make his return to domestic action on November 1, when Liverpool faces Bournemouth in their next League Cup tie.
Jones meh. don't care.
gakpo injury much more serious
jota we will survive but that should be clearly recinded and the referee dropped.
gakpo injury much more serious
jota we will survive but that should be clearly recinded and the referee dropped.
But that's not the truth though - it just doesn't add up for the reasons you state. It is impossible to have reached that state and NOT pulled the game up and said "Hang on, I know this is unprecedented, but I think you have misunderstood me'. Besides which, why did it take AN HOUR after the game to confess what had happened when they knew that information at halftime? Yes, I can understand why they didn't want to let on whilst the game was still playing - but an hour after the game when they knew full well what had happened at halftime? I'm not buying it.
Here's what happened - a mixture of cock-up, stitch-up and cover-up. VAR took one quick look at it and wanted to confirm the onfield decision so was that much in a rush they didn't even see the defender's back leg playing Diaz on because they simply looked at him being ahead of the closest defender to him. They didn't even bother to draw the lines, it was that obvious to them. Cock -up.
Then, with the game back in play, they realise the ginormous, total error they've made, but they can't call play back (not because of a miscommunication, FFS - who believes that?), but because they realise how bad it looks. They think about doctoring an image with lines on and a different frame, as they did with Bobby's armpit goal at Villa a few seasons ago, but they also know Bein Sports forensically ripped that to shreds back then, irrefutably proving that they redrew the lines off-angled, and used a later time frame for the moment of the pass, and they've already released the picture on which they based their decision (without lines on it, remember) and they can't go back again on that.
So, at the end of the match, they try frantically for an hour to concoct a story that is less harmful - they think - than the truth: that they rushed that much to support the palpably wrong on-field decision after the criticism they knew they were receiving over the VAR decision to send off Jones that they then utterly and catastrophically failed to do their job. And the best they could come up with in the end was a miscommunication farrago, a 'whoopsy, what silly but not corrupt clots we are' bullshit. A complete fallback onto the "procedural cock-up" defence drivel that they tried to get away with two months after the non-sending off of Pickford for his totally unpunished assault on Virgil.
Paranoia? Absolutely not. Corrupt? Yes - but not simply because they hate us and love our opponents (they don't, well not totally) but because there is a venal, dirty. self-preservation, old Soviet-style culture of lies, deception, and mendacity at the very core of the PGMOL, and bringing in Webb, of all people with his record, to perform some sort of Glasnost is akin to bringing in Liz Truss to sort the economy out. The only outcome of all this that seems even slightly proportional to the absolute morass of corruption that he has created would be a lengthy prison term for Webb and England. And a full, independent, QC-led public inquiry into the PGMOL. Then deport them.
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have they released another statement on this as all i've seen is the original one .
Liverpool could be fined after VAR controversy despite PGMOL chief Howard Webb apology
PGMOL chief Howard Webb contacted Liverpool to apologise for the officiating error that led to Luis Diaz's goal incorrectly being disallowed against Tottenham Hotspur, but the Reds could still be fined by the FA after being issued with eight yellow and red cards
Liverpool could be fined after VAR controversy despite PGMOL chief Howard Webb apology - Liverpool Echo
PGMOL chief Howard Webb contacted Liverpool to apologise for the officiating error that led to Luis Diaz's goal incorrectly being disallowed against Tottenham Hotspur, but the Reds could still be fined by the FA after being issued with eight yellow and red cards
Liverpool could be fined after VAR controversy despite PGMOL chief Howard Webb apology - Liverpool Echo
Entirely. The only thing VAR showed the ref that he hadn't clearly seen when he gave a yellow was a freeze-frame image of the impact of the studs impacting the leg - the exact same ****e that got Macca incorrectly sent off against Bournemouth. But not Kane against Liverpool.
Of course they will. I'm reminded of the fact that the Chinese government billed the families of the executed protesters after Tiananmen Square for the bullets they used on them.
- 'Liverpool have lost the game purely on VAR and refereeing'
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Former Liverpool striker Tash Dowie discussing the officiating in the Reds' defeat at Spurs on Sunday on BBC Radio 5 Live's Football Daily Podcast: "Liverpool have lost the game purely on VAR and refereeing. It's got nothing to do with Spurs playing well because I wasn't really that impressed by them. To have two extra players for 20, 30 minutes of the game and only winning it late through an own-goal was a little bit disappointed.
"I think if you watch the game the Curtis Jones one wasn't a red card and what started a really good game is killed. Then, the Luiz Diaz goal - it's clearly onside. There's been a a statement released saying there was a human error, for me that's just unacceptable. This is why we have VAR, it's technology, it should have been a goal to Liverpool.
"Then Diogo Jota - you can say his decision to go in for the tackle for the second yellow was silly and unnecessary but the first yellow was because the Spurs player tripped over himself, Jota didn't even touch him. Again Liverpool shouldn't have lost a player.
"These are clear and obvious things, these aren't little mistakes."
conspiracies now abound.
the ref and the var **** were both in uae less than 48 hours prior to the game officiating there.
reported in thisisanfield which is not a crank website.
there's serious serious issues to address here where we have a potentially bribed ref and var official.
the ref and the var **** were both in uae less than 48 hours prior to the game officiating there.
reported in thisisanfield which is not a crank website.
there's serious serious issues to address here where we have a potentially bribed ref and var official.
In a two horses race Tottenham once finished third: still early in the season we will see where they are going to finish.
"The lines were drawn in accordance with normal procedure and every other aspect was checked."
Bullshit! The game restarted far too quickly for the lines to be drawn. They just didn't bother
Bullshit! The game restarted far too quickly for the lines to be drawn. They just didn't bother
If this is MacAllister's real account he could be in trouble. Although he could be spot in!
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Premier League faces questions as blundering VAR duo BOTH worked in UAE on Thursday
Darren England, Dan Cook and Michael Oliver all worked at a game in the United Arab Emirates on Thursday, before travelling back for Tottenham's clash with Liverpool
Premier League faces questions as blundering VAR duo BOTH worked in UAE on Thursday - Mirror Online
Darren England, Dan Cook and Michael Oliver all worked at a game in the United Arab Emirates on Thursday, before travelling back for Tottenham's clash with Liverpool
Premier League faces questions as blundering VAR duo BOTH worked in UAE on Thursday - Mirror Online
Why aren't managers allowed to criticise officials anyway?
Obviously claiming they're corrupt is slanderous and would need to be backed up with serious evidence, but just saying they're wrong and not good enough is just a valid point of view imo.
Obviously claiming they're corrupt is slanderous and would need to be backed up with serious evidence, but just saying they're wrong and not good enough is just a valid point of view imo.
That depends on your definition of corrupt. Money and favours may or may not change hands, but I would say covering up mistakes and bias is corrupt in itself. May not be illegal, but it is certainly depraved.