Understanding does seem to be one of the many things you struggle with
Do you actually have a point ...
... not about this subject, I mean your actual existence

Understanding does seem to be one of the many things you struggle with

Sorry Smug, but these days young (and sometimes very young) children/people see and use much worse. Regrettable but a fact. Access to nastiness is far too easy for them - easier than it used to be for us to get our grubby hands on “dirty” magazines. But I agree his remark was over the top and disrespectful to women in general. However, having worked with women I’ve learned that some of them will have no hesitation saying almost anything to “get back” at any man they consider has offended them. Several, unconnected with each other, saying the same thing must be listened to.

Not at all.
His opinion is that Brand is innocent, I've no problem with that.
It's not his opinion I think is inappropriate, it's the language he uses to express it. I hope that's cleared that up.
However what is hypocritical is that some, like him, shout out that Brand is 'innocent until proven guilty' ...
... while, at the same time and without any evidence, condemning the women of guilty of lying, extortion and worse.

Fair point about the women, and I do apologise, I was pìssed last night and in an argumentative mood
I still don't agree he should be banned though.
And he isn't being hypocritical as all individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty as written in lawAs for Brand, even if he is guilty he will more than likely win the case.
It's certainly getting a lot of media attention like Schofield yet other pressing matters seem to get overlooked somewhat.
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Cheers Nig, no bother.
Where I think he's being hypocritical is in defending Brand while branding the women as guilty despite having no facts ...
... he can't have it both ways.
But my real point is that this board tends to be civil, if heated at times, and I don't think new people would be attracted to post if that was the tone ... at least not the kind of people I'd welcome.
There are loads of websites and forums for endless shouting and insults, I just think this is a better place.


Aw ****, there goes the Just for Mr RAWhite threadWhether they do or not is irrelevant, they have access and this is an SAFC forum.
Perhaps you're happy to hear schoolgirls described as lying bitches but you can't judge everyone by your standards.
I agree totally with the above.Whenever stories of abuse come out there are people saying “Why didn’t they go to the police at the time?”
It’s well known that the main feelings after being abused are shame and guilt. Even though there’s no blame to be attached to the victim. If the abuser is famous and popular, what’s the point of reporting it? No one’s going to believe you. And if the story comes out you’re going to be judged and insulted and have to live through the whole painful episode again.
Sadly this is how people get away with years of abusing. If he’s found guilty I hope he ends up with some dirty cellmates.
I agree totally with the above.
I guess the concerning thing for me is if they're concerned about being judged why have they gone to the media rather than the police?
If he's guilty then he deserves to be a prison sex toy
I think we can safely say we can forget about Russel Brand from now on, other than for laughing materialNot being prejudicial to him one way or the other, but it could be that this investigation has been going on for a few years (apparently at least one year from what's been reported) and the investigators have approached them after finding out some details during its course. Then things have snowballed from there, especially if it's been an open secret for years. And if I wanted to be cynical, who's to say that this hasn't been held back by certain quarters as a bit of leverage over him? A bit of "compromat" that's now become worthless?


I know that this is a serious thread, but . . . .
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I think the Rotherham grooming gangs illustrate the point you are making. The little lasses went to the police but it did them no good. Why would anyone wanting to report abuse expect anything different, especially when the alleged perpetrator is famous with powerful connections? Trust in the police has diminished alarmingly because of their cowardice.Whenever stories of abuse come out there are people saying “Why didn’t they go to the police at the time?”
It’s well known that the main feelings after being abused are shame and guilt. Even though there’s no blame to be attached to the victim. If the abuser is famous and popular, what’s the point of reporting it? No one’s going to believe you. And if the story comes out you’re going to be judged and insulted and have to live through the whole painful episode again.
Sadly this is how people get away with years of abusing. If he’s found guilty I hope he ends up with some dirty cellmates.