Off Topic Politics Thread

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What Trump is doing is just pure projection.

And this “your boy” stuff is basically exactly the same thing. Trump very much seems to be Os’s boy despite likely protestations otherwise. The posting history including pretty baseless defences of his behaviour that is actually on record - including but not limited to - ignoring all the evidence and claiming Biden has done the same or worse with no real evidence of this

The Biden crime family is a ludicrous claim when you compare to what the Trump family has actually done. Just start by comparing the size of the bung allegedly received to the payment Jared got from the Saudis.

You will also find that most democrats at least say they will want Biden to be punished if he has committed actual crimes. Where as the extent to which republicans have stuck their heads in the sand over trump on both the impeachments (both of them) and now his charges is truly breathtaking. Just picture if Obama or Clinton (either of them) had done what trump is accused of. You don’t even need to imagine because you can look at how they reacted to far more minor situations (Lewinski, Benghazi or in Obama’s case - simply being the wrong colour so accused of not being a citizen).

It’s just all so hypocritical. Dealing in state secrets and confidential information is usually an anathema to republicans. And they worship the constitution like a sacred document but are now ignoring someone who is accused (and is on tape) trying to subvert it

But they lose their minds over the guy currently in charge. The boring and bland centrist who is somehow both senile and must be having his strings pulled but also an evil mastermind behind a crime family. Schroedingers despot or something like that.

I’ve said it before but whilst I acknowledge that Trump Derangement Syndrome was a thing - it’s nothing compared to the Biden Derangement Syndrome going on among the US right wing and their international fans. It takes epic levels of projection to work yourself up into believing what they seem to about him.

Except what you’re doing is exactly what you’re accusing me of.

Defending Biden and ignoring a multitude of sins because it matches your politics.

I have never once defended trump to a crazy level. I have always maintained that if he has done something illegal then I hope he receives punishment. You are literally projecting and gaslighting me.

Then you ignore the multitude of sins of Biden.

- Fifty government officials came out and said the Hunter Biden laptop was fake, which ultimately could have made a difference in a very tight election. It was real.
- Biden’s own daughter has said she was touched by him in a shower inappropriately
- Biden is on video backing segregation and insulting Black people purely based on race
- There is (despite a couple of you burying your head in the sand) a lot of evidence of criminal financial transactions between Hunter Biden, China & Ukraine. Joe Biden is alleged to have been privy to all of this

the fact he is senile and basically handicapped now doesn’t change the fact that he was a ridiculously corrupt person who the media and multiple government agencies have been assisting in cover ups.

You’re projecting that in a crazy right wing but but I’m not. You are just blind to bidens faults because you regurgitate the mainstream media too much
 
I'll bite for once. But if, as you usually do, when proven completely incorrect, you do something other than say "I was wrong", you're done for good, and I suggest everyone on here just ignores you from then on.

There's too much in that long post to debate but there's something in there that you keep coming back to time and time again.

Tell us all what the problem is with Hunter Biden's laptop. Be clear and tell us exactly what illegality occurred concerning it. What crime was committed that is related to it? No airy-fairy nonsense; just the facts. What's the crime?
 
Then you ignore the multitude of sins of Biden.

- Fifty government officials came out and said the Hunter Biden laptop was fake, which ultimately could have made a difference in a very tight election. It was real.

Yet again: Biden wasn't even in government. You are accusing Joe Biden of forcing the Trump administration into a conspiracy to cover up for Joe Biden, which is just laughably silly.
 
the same fact check said the laptop didn’t exist

Come on, if his daughter really thought that she was abused by her father he wouldn't be in politics now and would surely have been investigated and I imagine his wife would've left him too and i've seen pictures of him with his daughter and she doesn't seem to be too upset.
It smacks of typical American right wing muck-raking to smear an opponent to me and guess which source broke the story?...Ah yes that's right Project Veritas and they couldn't confirm its' autheticity.
Trump on the other hand is a proven Sexual Abuser in court.
 
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Come on, if his daughter really thought that she was abused by her father he wouldn't be in politics now and would surely have been investigated and I imagine his wife would've left him too and i've seen pictures of him with his daughter and she doesn't seem to be too upset.
It smacks of typical right wing muck-raking to smear an opponent to me.

The source, Project Veritas, has been successfully sued multiple times because of their penchant for deceptively editing documents in order to slander people. Also, funny story, they're currently in shambles and suing the former head of the organization (James O'Keefe) because he was using huge sums of Project Veritas' money to advance his personal ambitions of being a musical theatre star.
 
Except what you’re doing is exactly what you’re accusing me of.

Defending Biden and ignoring a multitude of sins because it matches your politics.

I have never once defended trump to a crazy level. I have always maintained that if he has done something illegal then I hope he receives punishment. You are literally projecting and gaslighting me.

Then you ignore the multitude of sins of Biden.

- Fifty government officials came out and said the Hunter Biden laptop was fake, which ultimately could have made a difference in a very tight election. It was real.
- Biden’s own daughter has said she was touched by him in a shower inappropriately
- Biden is on video backing segregation and insulting Black people purely based on race
- There is (despite a couple of you burying your head in the sand) a lot of evidence of criminal financial transactions between Hunter Biden, China & Ukraine. Joe Biden is alleged to have been privy to all of this

the fact he is senile and basically handicapped now doesn’t change the fact that he was a ridiculously corrupt person who the media and multiple government agencies have been assisting in cover ups.

You’re projecting that in a crazy right wing but but I’m not. You are just blind to bidens faults because you regurgitate the mainstream media too much
Underlying all this, and the point everyone is trying to tell you and you just keep failing to listen, is that everything you say comes from dubious right wing sources. It doesn’t come from the centre. It doesn’t come from the left. It doesn’t come from foreign press. It doesn’t come out of China. It won’t be found on the BBC. You won’t find this stuff on CNN even. You have to go out of your way to follow these people on twitter or their podcasts.

What makes me really sad is I know a few Os type people in real life. They say “you are too close minded” and then refuse to look at serious evidence and shake their head and won’t get their kids vaccinated against measles and **** all the sheep who do it…

You are just one symptom of a disease infecting the world. A disease where the delusional fantasies of a few are more appealing than the facts presented by others. And every time you say “Biden Crime Family” those of us who are genuinely open-minded just hear the bleating of another person lost to that world.
 
He's ignoring me* so I'll offer a penn'orth of comment for the sane ones.

Pin him down to what exactly are the accusations he's making.

"Hunter Biden's Laptop" means nothing. Literally nothing. So it's impossible to disprove, as there's no actual accusation there.

Get Os to clarify what the crime is that's meant to have been committed because otherwise you're fighting a shape-shifter that can mean anything he wants it to mean and is impossible to disprove. It's a tactic Trump and his acolytes use to great effect.

Vin

* I suspect Os has me on 'ignore' but I also know from experience that he reads my posts. Give him some plausible deniability and ask him what the "Laptop" crime is.
 
Underlying all this, and the point everyone is trying to tell you and you just keep failing to listen, is that everything you say comes from dubious right wing sources. It doesn’t come from the centre. It doesn’t come from the left. It doesn’t come from foreign press. It doesn’t come out of China. It won’t be found on the BBC. You won’t find this stuff on CNN even. You have to go out of your way to follow these people on twitter or their podcasts.

What makes me really sad is I know a few Os type people in real life. They say “you are too close minded” and then refuse to look at serious evidence and shake their head and won’t get their kids vaccinated against measles and **** all the sheep who do it…

You are just one symptom of a disease infecting the world. A disease where the delusional fantasies of a few are more appealing than the facts presented by others. And every time you say “Biden Crime Family” those of us who are genuinely open-minded just hear the bleating of another person lost to that world.

But that is you 100% projecting. I have frequently said that I don’t really like trump and that I’m not invested only in right wing sources.

To me Trump is a cretin and a potential criminal. But Biden is a corrupt senile criminal.

I only care about the truth. The actual truth, not the one peddled by liars and fake fact checkers. The truth is neither of them are fit for office. There is only one group of people on here that isn’t willing to accept the truth and that’s you and the others that seem to love Biden
 
He's ignoring me* so I'll offer a penn'orth of comment for the sane ones.

Pin him down to what exactly are the accusations he's making.

"Hunter Biden's Laptop" means nothing. Literally nothing. So it's impossible to disprove, as there's no actual accusation there.

Get Os to clarify what the crime is that's meant to have been committed because otherwise you're fighting a shape-shifter that can mean anything he wants it to mean and is impossible to disprove. It's a tactic Trump and his acolytes use to great effect.

Vin

* I suspect Os has me on 'ignore' but I also know from experience that he reads my posts. Give him some plausible deniability and ask him what the "Laptop" crime is.

The laptop which senior government officials pretended was fake, in order that it didn’t impact an election?

The laptop filled with drugs & substance abuse, illegal firearms, human trafficking and links with Ukrainian & Chinese political money laundering?

Yes, I personally think that’s a huge deal and if it was Trumps son that stupidly left such an incriminating laptop around you and others here would rightly be calling it shameful.

But because you have fallen for the mainstream media’s narrative you blindly pretend it isn’t a huge issue
 
Just admit the Biden Crime Family phrase is a right wing propagandist motto. At least do that. At least admit that phrase you like is regurgitated verbatim from right wing propagandists.
 
The laptop which senior government officials pretended was fake, in order that it didn’t impact an election?

The laptop filled with drugs & substance abuse, illegal firearms, human trafficking and links with Ukrainian & Chinese political money laundering?

Yes, I personally think that’s a huge deal and if it was Trumps son that stupidly left such an incriminating laptop around you and others here would rightly be calling it shameful.

But because you have fallen for the mainstream media’s narrative you blindly pretend it isn’t a huge issue

Sure. Now we have some detail: it's a laptop "filled with drugs & substance abuse, illegal firearms, human trafficking and links with Ukrainian & Chinese political money laundering?"

Can you explain exactly what the crime is that relates to Joe Biden?

Vin
 
Just admit the Biden Crime Family phrase is a right wing propagandist motto. At least do that. At least admit that phrase you like is regurgitated verbatim from right wing propagandists.

If you admit that there was collusion between multiple government agencies, the Biden family and the democrats in order to hide the story?
 
Sure. Now we have some detail: it's a laptop "filled with drugs & substance abuse, illegal firearms, human trafficking and links with Ukrainian & Chinese political money laundering?"

Can you explain exactly what the crime is that relates to Joe Biden?

Vin

All of it if he was aware of any of it. Which it seems very likely that he was based on the leaked (proven real) texts.

Also the bigger issue is the fact that he was able to lean on media and officials to cover the whole thing up and pretend it was fake. They literally pretended it was Russian misinformation.

So indirectly they also increased tensions with Russia. I don’t really understand how you can defend any of this behaviour
 
All of it if he was aware of any of it. Which it seems very likely that he was based on the leaked (proven real) texts.

Also the bigger issue is the fact that he was able to lean on media and officials to cover the whole thing up and pretend it was fake. They literally pretended it was Russian misinformation.

So indirectly they also increased tensions with Russia. I don’t really understand how you can defend any of this behaviour

I asked you what crime Joe Biden committed. The crime. The law he broke

Vin
 
If you admit that there was collusion between multiple government agencies, the Biden family and the democrats in order to hide the story?

Collusion between Biden and the Trump Department of Justice. You are alleging that Trump's handpicked Department of Justice appointees colluded with Biden in order to swing the election against Trump.
 
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