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Wrong Goldie. It was our decision, because we were going to replace it with something better.
The Turing scheme...unfortunately it hasnt really got anywhere... And Erasmus simply goes from strength to strength
Yes, I had Horizon in mind when I posted, but as you say, Beth, Boris Johnson opted out of Erasmus. The Turing scheme looks like it has teething problems, which is understandable given it had a standing start. It'll be interesting to see whether the EU will still pay huge amounts into Erasmus going forwards, given Germany's parlous financial position, and wealthy payors like The Netherlands now being in recession.
Don't forget that 'they need us more than we need them', Beth.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...us-replacement-work-and-has-it-been-a-success
If the Turing scheme has meant more placements have been offered to kids, and specifically for mainly disadvantaged kids, than under the Erasmus scheme…then why do you say it “hasn’t really got anywhere” ?
Am I missing something ?
When I did Spain I could pretty much just rock up at the airport, turn up to a lecture and crack on. It’s a pain in the arse now to sort a visa out as well as the cost so it’s difficult to plan when unis aren’t given adequate notice of their funding or students can go for a short period of time which is good fun but not very useful if going to learn a language. The whole thing sounds a bit like it’s being done on the fly.
I get that, however doesn’t the fact that more kids are actually getting placements make it a good thing ? Getting a visa might be a “pain in the arse” but **** me, they ain’t being asked to cut off their right leg and give 3 pints of blood to do so.
No healthcare when there, shorter placements, proof of funds required and a lengthy visa process.
Sounds **** tbh.
Yeah the raw number sounds great. No one on my course or other people I know who did Erasmus did less than a full term and almost all did a full academic year. Some did half a year in Europe and half elsewhere. From your link it looks like people now are doing as little as two weeks and kids are having to do all the work and pay to set themselves up for courses they aren’t guaranteed to be on starting in a few weeks.
Some good points and I agree, the system does seem to have its flaws. But do you think it should all be set up for them or maybe they, and their parents, should have to take some kind of responsibility for their further education ? Or should it all be done for them ?
I just can’t agree with Beth’s original point that “it really hasn’t got anywhere”
We had a system that worked so little additional work was necessary for students already studying full-time (/getting twatted four times a week and trying to shag literally anything off Hinge).
Should someone needing an operation rely on the NHS to allocate them a slot or should they ring round 10 hospitals and fill out a load of forms at great expense for the privilege of having their leg amputated?
Of course you could say that there’s a massive difference between having to have your leg amputated as a reason of necessity to wanting to pursue further education with the final goal of furthering your future career and earnings.
Not saying the latter is a bad thing of course
Yes you could but if you scrapped all the admin in the NHS and just told people to figure it out for themselves because Boris didn’t fancy it we’d probably say that was a bit silly.