Transfer Rumours Transfer Rumours thread

[RogerisontheHunt]

agree. We’ve rarely competed with the rich boys tbh, so it should be a surprise that we still aren’t.

Milner and Hendo were never stellar players, much more industrious than flair, it didn’t stop us winning everything.

Milner was free and proven league winner. Henderson was £20m for a 21yr old.

I'm not concerned about Endo's industry or hard work, in fact I expect him to be.
I'm concerned about his age and his quality

And the lack of ambition it shows if he is the answer to our problem. Who are we waiting for if he is only a short term solution, all the players we've targeted and missed out on in recent years aren't suddenly going to be available next summer, they are set for years now.
This just feels like we've run out of ideas and just want to move on.

 

[Solid Air]

Once upon a time we used to laugh at entitled young fans demanding every signing be a "marquee" signing - are we all getting to that stage now? Because he's not a big name he's rubbish?
I understand the disappointment because of the recent saga, the high hopes and all that - but let's give the guy a chance before writing him off.

I'd just like to throw in that imo, both Caicedo and Lavia were vastly over-priced - even by today's stupid standards.
And before anyone says Rice, well yeah - so was he.

as i said i have nothing against the signing , in fact think he may well be a good versatile addition , rather the way this window has played out since our excellent start .

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

That last paragraph- I know I'm not down with kids, but wtf does it mean?

sorry about that one.

really poor typing on the phone.


Romano puts "here we go" on every single transfer. this is basically what super Mario says in an Italian accent.

he then also puts out shots of players in other teams kits before any transfer has even taken place and the people who like sharing on twitter and Instagram lap up images

 

[saintanton]

Milner was free and proven league winner. Henderson was £20m for a 21yr old.

I'm not concerned about Endo's industry or hard work, in fact I expect him to be.
I'm concerned about his age and his quality

And the lack of ambition it shows if he is the answer to our problem. Who are we waiting for if he is only a short term solution, all the players we've targeted and missed out on in recent years aren't suddenly going to be available next summer, they are set for years now.
This just feels like we've run out of ideas and just want to move on.

Let's say Endo fills a gap for two years, how do we know who will be coming through - either with us already or elsewhere - by then?
Had any of us even heard of Lavia or Caicedo two years ago? Suddenly they're "must haves" and we're a disgrace because we failed to sign them.
There'll be plenty more, there always is.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Let's say Endo fills a gap for two years, how do we know who will be coming through - either with us already or elsewhere - by then?
Had any of us even heard of Lavia or Caicedo two years ago? Suddenly they're "must haves" and we're a disgrace because we failed to sign them.
There'll be plenty more, there always is.

Got to say, I had to ask @Archers Road who the hell Lavia was - all I had remembered him from was the 4-4 draw there in May when he gave the ball to Jota to score. Turns out Chelsea had tracked him for a year and had already bid £50m for him, so maybe they were always going to trump us with or without the Caicedo stuff, as their strategy seems to be to pack their squad with really good young players on 8-year contracts, in anticipation of some sort of bans down the road from the FA and UEFA. Still, had we met the £50m straight away, although I'm convinced Chelsea would have still tried to hijack it, I believe he would be ours now - but still an incredible risk. And, vitally (and why Chelsea wanted him so desperately IMO) he's English registered, I believe?

As for Caicedo, good as he is, this time last week I never thought in a million years we'd be in a £111 tussle for him - we don't spend that type of money, and it's 40% over his true value (if there is such a thing with Chelsea distorting the market atm). Not sour grapes at all, but apart from the humiliating snub, the sour taste in my mouth is why didn't we at least TRY to do that with Bellingham? We publicly said we couldn't compete on price, but we've just shifted £1m a week off our wage bill and we've got more than the asking price to chuck at Caicedo - half the player of Bellingham. And also, if we've got £100m to blow on a DM, surely Rice was better target than Caicedo.

So there's a feeling of 'loss' over Lavia, to a large extent - but Caicedo? Certainly no more than Tchumainei last season. Surely we knew Fab had only another season at best in his legs, so we were making plans anyway for a DM? Though let's be honest, our strategy is completely ****ed now. Buying Endo may or may not be seen as an act of Melo-like desperation - but chucking £111m at Caicedo has no maybe about it.

 

[Neither here or there]

Milner was free and proven league winner. Henderson was £20m for a 21yr old.

I'm not concerned about Endo's industry or hard work, in fact I expect him to be.
I'm concerned about his age and his quality

And the lack of ambition it shows if he is the answer to our problem. Who are we waiting for if he is only a short term solution, all the players we've targeted and missed out on in recent years aren't suddenly going to be available next summer, they are set for years now.
This just feels like we've run out of ideas and just want to move on.

Waiting on Chelsea to sell lavia or caicedo for half the price they paid this season to us next season

 

[quinneristops]

Waiting on Chelsea to sell lavia or caicedo for half the price they paid this season to us next season

Don’t think Klopp will have a player who has snubbed him so publicly as these two

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Klopp has never won a league title without a Japanese player in his squad - Kagawa 10/11, Kagawa 11/12, Minamino 19/20.

Got to say after the initial surprise reading about Endo late last night, I'm feeling quite positive this morning; at £15m, got to be worth a punt. While we're still exploring the long term DM options, we have a player ready to go who's full of energy, fight and motivated about joining us. He never gives up according to Stuttgart fans (who are really upset that he's leaving). He even plays wearing a mouthguard. What's not to like.

 

[Bodinki]

Got to say, I had to ask @Archers Road who the hell Lavia was - all I had remembered him from was the 4-4 draw there in May when he gave the ball to Jota to score. Turns out Chelsea had tracked him for a year and had already bid £50m for him, so maybe they were always going to trump us with or without the Caicedo stuff, as their strategy seems to be to pack their squad with really good young players on 8-year contracts, in anticipation of some sort of bans down the road from the FA and UEFA. Still, had we met the £50m straight away, although I'm convinced Chelsea would have still tried to hijack it, I believe he would be ours now - but still an incredible risk. And, vitally (and why Chelsea wanted him so desperately IMO) he's English registered, I believe?

As for Caicedo, good as he is, this time last week I never thought in a million years we'd be in a £111 tussle for him - we don't spend that type of money, and it's 40% over his true value (if there is such a thing with Chelsea distorting the market atm). Not sour grapes at all, but apart from the humiliating snub, the sour taste in my mouth is why didn't we at least TRY to do that with Bellingham? We publicly said we couldn't compete on price, but we've just shifted £1m a week off our wage bill and we've got more than the asking price to chuck at Caicedo - half the player of Bellingham. And also, if we've got 3100m to blow on a DM, surely Rice was better target than Caicedo.

So there's a feeling of 'loss' over Lavia, to a large extent - but Caicedo? Certainly no more than Tchumainei last season. Surely we knew Fab had only another season at best in his legs, so we were making plans anyway for a DM? Though let's be honest, our strategy is completely ****ed now. Buying Endo may or may not be seen as an act of Melo-like desperation - but chucking £111m at Caicedo has no maybe about it.

To be fair to Liverpool, I dont think they expected to have this much money to spend during this window because I dont think they expected to sell their entire midfield.
Keita was expected to leave, but I dont think Henderson and Fabinho were both expected to leave, but FSG couldnt turn down the offers you got from Saudi for them.
You were gonna get a DM for around £50m, but then once you recouped £70m from those two sales you opted to try go one better and get a more expensive, better option in Caicedo, since you had the readies.
Maybe a moment of madness....but once you didnt get him, cooler heads prevailed and you decided to go with your original plan of spending around 40-50m on a DM instead.
If Bellingham had still been available now, you'd have probably gone for him when you got that influx of cash, but I dont think it was expected by your board to have that budget available

 

[Neither here or there]

Don’t think Klopp will have a player who has snubbed him so publicly as these two

Klopp also said he would never spend 100 mil on a player (though in truth he hasnt as we seen so far).

Attitudes change depending on the landscape and i think Klopp isnt gonna bear grudges if said players made mistake and want to prove a point in red? Just floating thoughts here but chelsea with current owner likely wouldnt sell to us .

 

[jaffaSlot]

Regardless of who, we desperately need a DM to free up Alexis and Sloz.

Reminds me of the covid follow up season when van dijk got injured and we put Fabinho in defence. We were much better when he went back into midfield and we had the kids at the back

 

[saintanton]

Got to say, I had to ask @Archers Road who the hell Lavia was - all I had remembered him from was the 4-4 draw there in May when he gave the ball to Jota to score. Turns out Chelsea had tracked him for a year and had already bid £50m for him, so maybe they were always going to trump us with or without the Caicedo stuff, as their strategy seems to be to pack their squad with really good young players on 8-year contracts, in anticipation of some sort of bans down the road from the FA and UEFA. Still, had we met the £50m straight away, although I'm convinced Chelsea would have still tried to hijack it, I believe he would be ours now - but still an incredible risk. And, vitally (and why Chelsea wanted him so desperately IMO) he's English registered, I believe?

As for Caicedo, good as he is, this time last week I never thought in a million years we'd be in a £111 tussle for him - we don't spend that type of money, and it's 40% over his true value (if there is such a thing with Chelsea distorting the market atm). Not sour grapes at all, but apart from the humiliating snub, the sour taste in my mouth is why didn't we at least TRY to do that with Bellingham? We publicly said we couldn't compete on price, but we've just shifted £1m a week off our wage bill and we've got more than the asking price to chuck at Caicedo - half the player of Bellingham. And also, if we've got 3100m to blow on a DM, surely Rice was better target than Caicedo.

So there's a feeling of 'loss' over Lavia, to a large extent - but Caicedo? Certainly no more than Tchumainei last season. Surely we knew Fab had only another season at best in his legs, so we were making plans anyway for a DM? Though let's be honest, our strategy is completely ****ed now. Buying Endo may or may not be seen as an act of Melo-like desperation - but chucking £111m at Caicedo has no maybe about it.

Excuses for public consumption aren't necessarily the whole truth.
I have no idea what has really gone on over Bellingham and the others, but I don't doubt there's more to all of these stories than we get to hear.
Like I've said before, I've long given up on expecting the world to behave the way I want it to, and in the case of football, I'm just here for the ride. Of course I get pissed off with things occasionally, but it doesn't last.
I'd already forgotten about Bellingham, the others will go the same way.

 

[mighty_stevie_g]

I’ve always said it looked as though Bellingham’s camp said Madrid want him and that’s his preference, so we moved on.

It’s also come out in the last couple of days that he was a bit of a prat and his teammates couldn’t stand him, so maybe that played a part too? Who knows.

At least we are active, way too many windows of late where we know we have areas of weakness and it’s silent… hopefully we get Endo, one more and we can crack on

 

[Neither here or there]

To be fair to Liverpool, I dont think they expected to have this much money to spend during this window because I dont think they expected to sell their entire midfield.
Keita was expected to leave, but I dont think Henderson and Fabinho were both expected to leave, but FSG couldnt turn down the offers you got from Saudi for them.
You were gonna get a DM for around £50m, but then once you recouped £70m from those two sales you opted to try go one better and get a more expensive, better option in Caicedo, since you had the readies.
Maybe a moment of madness....but once you didnt get him, cooler heads prevailed and you decided to go with your original plan of spending around 40-50m on a DM instead.
If Bellingham had still been available now, you'd have probably gone for him when you got that influx of cash, but I dont think it was expected by your board to have that budget available

In essence , they needed to get more in after losing 2 key players so proven PL quality(though 1 season is atypical these days) , forced the clubs hand. Ideally should have opted for lavia and then went for the more expensive one similar to how you guys did it(without the liverpool tax added on...).

Never felt bellingham was coming as he warranted massive wages but who knows , the next big thing could happen ...

 

[Bodinki]

In short, you were gonna spend around £50m on a DM, then you got a cash injection of like £60m from two sales, saw that Chelsea were dicking Brighton about with Caicedo's price and thought "Maybe we can jump in and grab him, we have the cash spare". Ok it didnt work, but it was worth a try.
So now they gone back to the original plan of spending around 40-50m on a DM instead of silly money like we did

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Klopp also said he would never spend 100 mil on a player (though in truth he hasnt as we seen so far).

Attitudes change depending on the landscape and i think Klopp isnt gonna bear grudges if said players made mistake and want to prove a point in red? Just floating thoughts here but chelsea with current owner likely wouldnt sell to us .

He has said that 4 years ago. Inflation has rocketed not only in life but in football fees so £100m now isn’t the same value as £100m was then.

It’s like comparing Zidane transfer fee to any player now.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I’ve always said it looked as though Bellingham’s camp said Madrid want him and that’s his preference, so we moved on.

It’s also come out in the last couple of days that he was a bit of a prat and his teammates couldn’t stand him, so maybe that played a part too? Who knows.

At least we are active, way too many windows of late where we know we have areas of weakness and it’s silent… hopefully we get Endo, one more and we can crack on

Also have to take into account that although Bellingham cost 100m. His wages are also reportedly around 350k a week. That’s top earning stuff at our club.. and he’s only 19. Where do you then go from there?

Szobo and Mac cost the same price as Bellingham but also 100k less in wages combined

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

In short, you were gonna spend around £50m on a DM, then you got a cash injection of like £60m from two sales, saw that Chelsea were dicking Brighton about with Caicedo's price and thought "Maybe we can jump in and grab him, we have the cash spare". Ok it didnt work, but it was worth a try.
So now they gone back to the original plan of spending around 40-50m on a DM instead of silly money like we did

We don't know the full picture of what targets were intended but we do now know the club must have had 59million pounds available to spend on one or two players or whatever and we took in 52million for henderson and fabinho.

We do know as a matter of public record form Southampton that bids less than 50million we submitted and a bid of 60million was accepted for lavia. He MUST have been in the top 3 of targets and likely heading the column of realistic targets to be actually bidding.

We do know as a matter of public record that klopp feels Bajcetic is potentially every bit as good as any of these players but needs some time to grow up.

We do know that Brighton accepted an offer from us and that offer was reported widely at 111million. Both klopp and bighton confirmed the bid.

It is then down to complete conjecture as to how much we valued lavia at really or what would have happened if we just spent to 50 in july.

We also know as a matte of record that tyler adam was in Chelsea doing an medical and was sent home after the time where LFC were bidding on lavia below 50mil.

The important point for any LFC fan is that the club had the money and was not willing to put it down to secure lavia at the time where the team would have been prepared for day 1 of the season.

Its now heading for match day 2 and the situation is now totally changed with a totally different player being rumoured


Have LFc missed out on Caicedo punt? yes.
Is that shocking? no. most of us on here firday morning thought it quite odd and unlikely.
Have LFC misse dout on main target Lavia? Yes
Is that poor? Yes, though some seem determined to deny it we have clearly had the means and opportunity to deliver but seemed to lack the will and then lost the player's interest.
Have LFc now gone and made a left field bid? Yes.
Is that poor? Nobody has a clue.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

This smacks of another agent jacking the price up too - I was all for Amrabat back in January, and he'd be good value at £30m, but he's not young (so Chelsea won't be throwing their wallet at him ), yet you'd expect United, with CL football, to up their bid IF they want him (and they pay better). And judging by Casemiro on Monday, they damn weel need him. And that's another thing about 30-something DMs - even top, top class ones like Casemiro and Fab (29) can't cut it every game in there. it's the hardest role in football, IMO, the equivalent of the 400m in track and field.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Amrabat-Morocco-midfielder-Jurgen-Klopp.html

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

This smacks of another agent jacking the price up too - I was all for Amrabat back in January, and he'd be good value at £30m, but he's not young (so Chelsea won't be throwing their wallet at him ), yet you'd expect United, with CL football, to up their bid IF they want him (and they pay better). And judging by Casemiro on Monday, they damn weel need him. And that's another thing about 30-something DMs - even top, top class ones like Casemiro and Fab (29) can't cut it every game in there. it's the hardest role in football, IMO, the equivalent of the 400m in track and field.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Amrabat-Morocco-midfielder-Jurgen-Klopp.html

Diego goes mad when i call casemiro a rotund has-been.

yet the evidence is clear for all to see.