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Just to go slightly further on in the rant about Labour factionalism.

I know anyone who spends any time on Reddit will know it is full of echo chambers but if the Labour left on there bear any resemblance to the real life then I really lose the will.

Currently getting pelters for suggesting that Starmer shouldn't be under pressure for the Labour vote 'collapse' in... Somerton and Frome, despite the fact I am also saying that Uxbridge was genuinely disappointing.

Just delusion beyond all reason, well meaning but as illogical as any Johnsonite.

It is worth noting that many of those are trying to encourage others not to vote for Labour as well as 'they are just the same as the Tories'. I do wonder if there are Tory bots on there as they must be so so easy to manipulate.
 
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Shandy_top_89 said:
It is worth noting that many of those are trying to encourage others not to vote for Labour as well as 'they are just the same as the Tories'. I do wonder if there are Tory bots on there as they must be so so easy to manipulate.
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I'm sorry to say that it's just a thing that has always been present with a certain segment of the left. Not numerically large, certainly not with any great power, but that sort of myopic absolutism makes people feel special and superior, and that's really alluring. You can literally go back as far as the Marx-Bakunin rivalry to see it in action, because "I'd rather lose than get 99.5% of what I want' is comforting for a lot of people, because then you're never in a position where you have to defend the 99.5% of things you got.
 
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Spain just had an election and the good news is it's the rare European election where the vote shifted back toward the center: the two traditional parties, the Socialists and conservative People's Party, gained seats at the expense of the fringe parties on both sides and in particular the extreme right Vox, with the share of the People's Party + Vox falling short of the threshold to form a government. The bad news is there isn't an obvious path to a government at all.
 
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Spain just had an election and the good news is it's the rare European election where the vote shifted back toward the center: the two traditional parties, the Socialists and conservative People's Party, gained seats at the expense of the fringe parties on both sides and in particular the extreme right Vox, with the share of the People's Party + Vox falling short of the threshold to form a government. The bad news is there isn't an obvious path to a government at all.
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Yeah, there's going to need to be another election it seems, which is also pretty common over in Spain.
 
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Yeah, there's going to need to be another election it seems, which is also pretty common over in Spain.
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It's the downside of proportional representation: it's a better representation of the populace, and much fairer than FPTP, but it also means a lot of really complicated coalitions (and frequent elections when those coalitions don't hold up).
 
Schad said:
Spain just had an election and the good news is it's the rare European election where the vote shifted back toward the center: the two traditional parties, the Socialists and conservative People's Party, gained seats at the expense of the fringe parties on both sides and in particular the extreme right Vox, with the share of the People's Party + Vox falling short of the threshold to form a government. The bad news is there isn't an obvious path to a government at all.
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This is where I would like to disagree with you. If the PP leader used any brain at all, he would consult with PSOE and devise a legislative program which satisfies most PP supporrters mainly related to the economy, devise a fair formula for funding the different autonomous regions, and also a program that would make PSOE look silly to oppose. If he could pull this off, PP would be in power for at least 3 years. THe last thing Spain needs is another round of elections. But I doubt that Feijoo has the talent, brains or intuition of Sanchez, the best PM that Spain has ever had. Indeed,

For what is it worth, while PP is nominally a centre-right party, the reality is they have shifted considerably to the right in order to recapture votes that were originally destined for VOX. And in a number of municipalities PP and VOX are in a ruling alliance, so not really evidence of the party returning to the centre ground.
 
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Schad said:
Spain just had an election and the good news is it's the rare European election where the vote shifted back toward the center: the two traditional parties, the Socialists and conservative People's Party, gained seats at the expense of the fringe parties on both sides and in particular the extreme right Vox, with the share of the People's Party + Vox falling short of the threshold to form a government. The bad news is there isn't an obvious path to a government at all.
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I would like us to cast our minds back to the 2017 UK election when the Tories were just short of an overall majority. In roping the DUP into some kind of alliance was the greatest disaster of Theresa May's premiership. She should have formed a minority Government and managed to see her program through as it would have been very unlikely that all the other parties would have been able to outvote her Government on every piece of legislation.
 
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Whoa: South Korean scientists believe that they have developed the first room temperature superconductor.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2307/2307.12008.pdf

It will need to be replicated (and the good news is that it looks eminently replicable, so it shouldn't take long to prove/falsify this), but this is one of the holy grails of energy and computing efficiency, because you can create an effectively lossless circuit without waste heat. The material involved wouldn't exactly be ideal for mass production -- it involves lead -- but proving the viability will set off a gold rush to create the first substance that can be used for such.
 
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