You often quote evidence of his discriminatory attitudes which are (perhaps deliberately) misunderstood and lifted from an opinion piece in which he was accusing other people of being discriminatory. You openly express a dislike of people with money. You express anti-establishment and anti-monarchist views. You accuse anyone who doesn't share your views of being evil. You misunderstand a desire for accuracy as excuse making. None of these are the traditional stand points of the moderate left, therefore what else can I be expected to believe?
No one's defending him, no one's set out to defend him. But, as I've said previously, if you don't toe the line of anti-Tory orthodoxy, you must be evil.
I have money. Everyone has money. It’s those misusing wealth and ‘othering’ the poor to retain inequality I have an issue with- I presume you’re not bothered? I argue that accepting poverty and suffering as a consequence is evil, the Rwanda scheme is evil. Are they not? I argue against an antiquated monarchy with a history in empire making riches from what could be ironically ‘common wealth’ but is tax avoiding personal wealth - is any of that untrue? It’s sounds to me like you’re excusing Johnson again who as an example suggested that black people had lower IQ’s and it isn’t a magic money tree there are things need to change for that to happen- is that ‘anti establishment ‘ pro society? I want struggling people to have better lives. I make no excuse for that. You are defending the party responsible for the biggest increase in financial inequality which is dragging even the middle classes towards poverty who refuse to make policy on climate change a priority. It strikes me your version of middle ground is in fact anti social.
You're still doing it. I have often agreed with you on social issues (although we may differ in our approaches to solving things) and the only time I recall a major difference between us has been when I've demonstrated that your opinions on the monarchy are based on untruths and inaccuracies. But since I suggested earlier today that there were external factors that affected how any government performed (which I would suggest is a fairly mild statement), you've been on a relentless campaign to cast me and my views as evil and wrong. This isn't the approach of the moderate left that looks after people and advocates social responsibility, this is the vengeful hard left that brooks no dissention.
You’re dying to put me in a box. I don’t even think that councils should run many services or things should be nationalised, I just think that profits should be shared and we need bigger change than is being offered. I’ve voted Lib Dem labour green and independent. At one point the Lib Dem’s honest policy of ‘simple increase in income tax’ made them my number one choice. This Conservative Party - started by Brexit, funded by corporations, driven by elitism, uncaring about the suffering in favour of top level wealth’, othering for power are a threat to the vulnerable. Being honest the trigger for me is you saying you would do the same again but implying that choice isn’t in favour of national conservative extremists. Braverman, Reece Mogg, Badenoch, Patel, Fabricant, Johnson - the list goes on. They need calling out. I despise them. Mordaunt at this point for example I could accept in an entirely different way.
You do come across as deflecting and giving massive leeway to the likes of Johnson, sunak etc. come hell or high water - you even decided to omit the Truss disaster when trying to say the tories aren't to blame for the economy or transfer of increased wealth to the top 0.5% (you later mentioned Truss after being called on it tbf) - leeway you wouldn't give other more central or centre left politicians. just an observation.
Specialist subject - ideological capture and how political figures turn the gullible's jealousy into zealotry.
As if. Mr Superior. If you mistake wanting people to suffer less as being jealous you are an absolute simpleton. It’s Vauxie level stupidity that like.
Can't wait for the season to start so folk can vent their fury at the opposition rather than at each other on here
You see, I think its you trying to put me in a box because I haven't condemned the people you despise. I haven't actually defended any of these people and I certainly haven't expressed admiration for any of them. All I have ever done is advocate looking at facts rather than believing political spin or misdirection. I don't mind which way that falls, it's the accuracy that concerns me. Your belief in the views of Republic, many of which are demonstrably inaccurate, and your refusal to believe my statement about the Johnson article (which doesn't absolve him of the other racist statements he's made), to me, comes across as someone who is more interested in ideological concerns than the truth. I admire your concern about social issues and I would consider myself to be concerned about such matters, as well as environmental ones, so to have it implied that I am a bad person based simply on the fact that I refuse to use condemnatory language about politicians that you don't like seems wildly inaccurate and extremely unfair.
Blindly voting in any old **** will not make people's lives better. In fact it's virtually guaranteed to make people suffer more.
That's because the subject was Covid and the war in Ukraine and I was specifically referring to articles talking about those subjects. That last sentence is inaccurate. I have regularly pointed out when inaccurate information about Labour politicians has been passed off as fact. Edit: In fact, I'll add to this. At no point did I say that the Tories aren't to blame for the economy, I said that that nothing happens in isolation and there are factors (e.g. Covid, war) that affect these things that no government can control. Which is indisputable fact.
As has clearly been demonstrated over the last 13 years. Oh ****, I've finally had to bite Right I'm out and I promise not to discuss politics again I'll fail
You're right. The issue has been made worse by an opposition who would usually have sorted themselves out over a couple of electoral cycles still struggling to do so now. The electorate have been fed up with this lot since well before COVID. The opposition have managed to make themselves look a poorer option each time it's been put to the test though. They'll get in next time but it's by default, which is very dangerous waters.
