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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Smug in Boots, Jun 24, 2023.

  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    That's because nothing has changed with no sign of progress.

    And it's gullible flag waving GREAT BRITAIN Boris believers, like you, to blame.
     
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    We are a little Island in the North Sea. We are no longer a super power ( if we have ever been one) we cannot simply click our fingers and expect the rest of the world to roll out trading agreements. As a person who who spent the bulk of my working life abroad...I hate to say this...But the UK is classified as small irrelevant country when compared with the likes of USA, China, India ....we let go an unbelievable opportunity with the EU. We are Great Britain in name only... The Tories over the last 13 years have made sure the "Great" part is meaningless these days
     
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  3. Gordon Armstrong

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    Is it feck because of 'people like him' <doh>
    You've said yourself that we didn't know what we were voting for, and that we were 'led' by those who should have known better, so how can you blame the people who voted for it when those that voted for it did so 'cos they/we thought that it was the right thing to do based on the information available at the time :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    That is the problem...The "people" decided that serial liar Boris..was one of those who "should know better"... It beggars belief now.
     
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    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan
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    We didn't know that he was a serial liar then, and yes, he (and others in prime positions) should have known better, so we should have been better informed from the start :emoticon-0148-yes:

    Either way, it was coward Cameron's fault for asking for a vote about something that we knew now't, or very little, about when it should never have been for the public to decide.

    He did the right thing (for himself) by ****ing off and leaving his mess for somebody else to clean up <grr>
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    That's a very good post and sent a chill through me tbh.

    It's amazing that people believe the USA are desperate for 'a special relationship' and that China and India won't eat us alive given half a chance.

    The likes of Sunak, Johnson, Hunt, etc, believe we can rely on our banks, insurance, stock exchange, IT, etc, to compete in the world while allowing our industry, manufacturing, innovation, etc, to slide.

    It's uber-Thatcherism with promises of thousands of highly skilled highly paid jobs, grandiose gestures of HS2, Royal Yachts and flag waving to admiring countries around the world.

    Glug
     
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    It's not because it refers to the land mass on which England, Wales, and Scotland are located -the biggest, or greatest, island in the British Isles- not our geopolitical position <ok>
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'm responding to someone who obviously falls into that specific category ...

    ... it's up to you, or anyone else, if they choose to put themselves in that box with Master-Simpson.

    My point, perhaps not properly spelled out, is that people who include a stupid in their post and put GREAT BRITAIN in capital letters believe 100% that they're the only true patriots and anyone who believed we should be part of Europe are traitors.
     
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    Not in the post I quoted.
     
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    Nissan closed down their plants in mainland Europe and moved the work to Washington after Brexit. More jobs for up here. I think that’s a good thing.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Works both ways.

    I know somebody who wanted to vote leave but the remain camp told everybody that we’d enter a recession the day after the leave vote won. He didn’t want to take the risk and voted to remain. That was a lie.
     
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    I was replying to Flanders. Not sure what's happened.
     
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    Surely people could see through the pithy slogans and false promises? Did anyone really believe we'd be pumping £350m a week into the NHS? If that had been true I would have voted to leave, but it was glaringly obvious that it was utter rubbish.

    For me it was all about the risk of the unknown - like being on a game show and being offered a £10k cash prize (remain) or take what's in the mystery box (leave) then being gutted when the mystery box was a pile of steaming dog turd.

    If the Govt and the public knew what Brexit meant, the vote would have been different IMHO

    I tried to speak to a couple of my older relatives about it - my Aunt is in her 80s and is a proud right-wing facist/racist, but my Uncle whom I love to bits is a decent guy. The morning after the vote I went for breakfast with him - we spoke about the result and he told me honestly he just "wanted all the foreigners out the country" and he didn't care if it meant he was impacted financially, he just wanted to stop "all this immigration". I couldn't agree with his view, but I respect he has a view. Growing up in the NE in the 50/60s must have been very different to now....

    Voting leave just felt like so much of a risk - a jump into the unknown that could have huge impacts for our kids and their kids. I just don't get why so many people were willing to take that risk (well I do know, I just can't understand why such a massive change was largely based on a single topic)
     
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    Never heard anything like that. There were warnings about what might happen but I didn't see anyone saying stuff like that. Not the day after
     
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  15. Smug in Boots

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    I'm amazed anyone would believe that ...

    ... still, it was only the timing that was wrong.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    “A vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession” – George Osborne, May 2016[1]
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    We entered a recession in 2020 at the height of the pandemic. Is that Brexits fault?
     
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    Haway lads. There has been some great, constructive debate on this thread but it is now descending into point scoring.
     
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    Not seeing the word "the day after" anywhere in that statement. Also that statement was based on the the analysis done by HM Treasury which carries more weight that Nigel ****ing Farage standing on a soap box making false promises.

    The rest of that statement warns that households would be around £4,300 a year worse off........that looks fairly close to what we are seeing now with rising inflation, interest rates and the fuel prices. You can argue that there are other factors such as Covid and the Ukraine War, but it's hard to ignore things like empty shelves in Supermarkets and companies going under because they can't reasonably import from the EU anymore
     
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    It's like the House of Commons :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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