Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

[FellTop]

This is all moving from being a little embarrassing, and an easy pop at the Tories, to something sickening and serious ...

... these people have, no doubt, tried to cover up all this corruption so what we're seeing is just the tip of a massive iceberg.

We've all been taken for mugs.

I dont disagree mate. There has been some shady deals undoubtedly. I suspect some were in good faith too, but just poor on execution.

What is left over is a mess that tarnishes politics for years to come. There are politicians like Johnson whose legacy is set in stone. In my opinion he drags others down with him. Sunak may not be perfect, but he isnt Johnson either.

I suspect we will spend 10 years learning of the largesse, incompetence, and desperation since Brexit. I dont include pre Brexit era of tory rule as they were deliberate, calculated and certain of their actions. Post the Brexit vote it has been hopeless incompetence, with a slice of mates rates.

 

[rooch 3]

Just the weekend mate...up Friday, need to come back Sunday, hospital Monday morning.

Oh ok mate I was wondering if you were up longer and wether you and your lass liked vegan or vegetarian food. I know where there is a class restaurant in Torver hidden away on a farm that’s brilliant.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I dont disagree mate. There has been some shady deals undoubtedly. I suspect some were in good faith too, but just poor on execution.

What is left over is a mess that tarnishes politics for years to come. There are politicians like Johnson whose legacy is set in stone. In my opinion he drags others down with him. Sunak may not be perfect, but he isnt Johnson either.

I suspect we will spend 10 years learning of the largesse, incompetence, and desperation since Brexit. I dont include pre Brexit era of tory rule as they were deliberate, calculated and certain of their actions. Post the Brexit vote it has been hopeless incompetence, with a slice of mates rates.

I do find it all quite sad, they've really taken us all for fools.

The British people will have had their faith in our leaders shot to pieces.

I fully expected the next government to be a coalition ...

... the more all this comes out I can start to see a sizeable Labour majority,

 

[FellTop]

I do find it all quite sad, they've really taken us all for fools.

The British people will have had their faith in our leaders shot to pieces.

I fully expected the next government to be a coalition ...

... the more all this comes out I can start to see a sizeable Labour majority,

I do think there are capable leaders, across all sides of the house. It seems they arent given a chance by their political party. I desperately hope I am wrong about Starmer. We need a serious leader for 8 years or more just to get back on something like an even keel. Lisa Nandy would get my vote as the woman for the job, but all about opinions.

 

[Sunderpitt]

I do think there are capable leaders, across all sides of the house. It seems they arent given a chance by their political party. I desperately hope I am wrong about Starmer. We need a serious leader for 8 years or more just to get back on something like an even keel. Lisa Nandy would get my vote as the woman for the job, but all about opinions.

Rachel Reeves and Nandy will be good.

 

[DH4]

This is all moving from being a little embarrassing, and an easy pop at the Tories, to something sickening and serious ...

... these people have, no doubt, tried to cover up all this corruption so what we're seeing is just the tip of a massive iceberg.

We've all been taken for mugs.

Well the motto of the Bullingdon Club was "**** The Plebs" after all. This has been planned for the last 40 years. And to top it all Johnson somehow convinced the working class to vote for them so they had the opportunity do it.

 

[The Exile II]

I do think there are capable leaders, across all sides of the house. It seems they arent given a chance by their political party. I desperately hope I am wrong about Starmer. We need a serious leader for 8 years or more just to get back on something like an even keel. Lisa Nandy would get my vote as the woman for the job, but all about opinions.

I don't see anyone on either front bench. Whether there's anyone beneath that I also doubt. They've become consumed with the 24hr news cycle and the desperation to score the next point. They say anything at the time to score it and sod the consequences later.

This political generation is finished. Are we going to let them poison the next one.

 

[Pure River Slut]

I dont disagree mate. There has been some shady deals undoubtedly. I suspect some were in good faith too, but just poor on execution.

What is left over is a mess that tarnishes politics for years to come. There are politicians like Johnson whose legacy is set in stone. In my opinion he drags others down with him. Sunak may not be perfect, but he isnt Johnson either.

I suspect we will spend 10 years learning of the largesse, incompetence, and desperation since Brexit. I dont include pre Brexit era of tory rule as they were deliberate, calculated and certain of their actions. Post the Brexit vote it has been hopeless incompetence, with a slice of mates rates.

Sunak May be appear less dangerous but I think corporate investment banker culture in the Tory party is a massive problem for the everyday person.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Rachel Reeves and Nancy will be good.

I wish Yvette Cooper had made it in the Corbyn election.

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

I don't see anyone on either front bench. Whether there's anyone beneath that I also doubt. They've become consumed with the 24hr news cycle and the desperation to score the next point. They say anything at the time to score it and sod the consequences later.

This political generation is finished. Are we going to let them poison the next one.

Classic - your Tory hero’s are proven to be corrupt, lying, self serving incompetents so your answer is the old ‘they’re all the same’ - it’s tedious, lazy and simple.
Although I think PR should be introduced very soon.

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

Sunak May be appear less dangerous but I think corporate investment banker culture in the Tory party is a massive problem for the everyday person.

Absolutely-it’s obvious who’s interests Sunak is ‘delivering’ for. We are well down the list if even on it.

 

[DH4]

Classic - your Tory hero’s are proven to be corrupt, lying, self serving incompetents so your answer is the old ‘they’re all the same’ - it’s tedious, lazy and simple.
Although I think PR should be introduced very soon.

It's like saying because James Vaughan was a **** centre forward that all centre forwards are **** so we should never have swapped him for another centre forward. They have run out of excuses for their Tory overlords so they now blame the whole institution of Parliament and democracy for the lies, incompetence and rifling of the public purse the Tories have been doing for the last 13 years. It is so predictable and they simply do not want to admit they were wrong to vote them in in the first place.

 

[Gil T Azell]

C*nts'. The fkn lot of them.

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[Coastal Dolphins]

It's like saying because James Vaughan was a **** centre forward that all centre forwards are **** so we should never have swapped him for another centre forward. They have run out of excuses for their Tory overlords so they now blame the whole institution of Parliament and democracy for the lies, incompetence and rifling of the public purse the Tories have been doing for the last 13 years. It is so predictable and they simply do not want to admit they were wrong to vote them in in the first place.

Clear as day. Embarrassing now.
Maybe if there was someone daft enough they could start counting how often there’s a vacuous ‘but they’re all the same,’ non argument put forward to defend/deflect from the worst government in 2 generations.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Classic - your Tory hero’s are proven to be corrupt, lying, self serving incompetents so your answer is the old ‘they’re all the same’ - it’s tedious, lazy and simple.
Although I think PR should be introduced very soon.

I disagree. I think its tedious, lazy, and simple to assume that just because the Conservatives have been terrible that Labour are going to be wonderful. Most people could recognise how bad Boris Johnson was at the last election but he still achieved a huge victory over a party under the control of Corbyn and his acolytes. That's how little people thought of that iteration of the Labour party. How bad must they have been for the electorate to prefer Johnson's Conservative Party? While Labour look a much more sensible party under Starmer, they still include some Corbynites in their most prominent MPs. It's not good enough to blithely assume that Labour will be an improvement on the Conservatives, we as an electorate must demand more from politicians so that we don't end up with the same appalling choice that we did in 2019.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Clear as day. Embarrassing now.
Maybe if there was someone daft enough they could start counting how often there’s a vacuous ‘but they’re all the same,’ non argument put forward to defend/deflect from the worst government in 2 generations.

Since the general election the narrative changed from 'huge majority, now things will change' to 'Boris must be defended' to 'the weak opposition are to blame' and now it's 'they're all corrupt'.

It's basically an admissions that the ammunition has run out and that the situation is indefensible. There was a Tory sympathiser/journalist, on ITV yesterday, still claiming Boris was set up and that what Starmer did was every bit a party.

That's frankly ridiculous ...

... one was a series of parties in various locations, the other was a pie and a pint with people at work. Ill advised but not comparable.

The current lot have been so bad I think most people would vote for the Nazi Party if they were the only alternative.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I disagree. I think its tedious, lazy, and simple to assume that just because the Conservatives have been terrible that Labour are going to be wonderful. Most people could recognise how bad Boris Johnson was at the last election but he still achieved a huge victory over a party under the control of Corbyn and his acolytes. That's how little people thought of that iteration of the Labour party. How bad must they have been for the electorate to prefer Johnson's Conservative Party? While Labour look a much more sensible party under Starmer, they still include some Corbynites in their most prominent MPs. It's not good enough to blithely assume that Labour will be an improvement on the Conservatives, we as an electorate must demand more from politicians so that we don't end up with the same appalling choice that we did in 2019.

I don't know what a Corbynite is mate, sounds like an alternative life form ...

... I do know, however, that politicians are chameleons.

Many of the current cabinet have gone from being fanatical Borisites to Trussites to Sunakites. Some, who were 'absolutely commited' to Johnson subsequently kicked him out and have now voted to exclude him from parliament.

Each new party leader can't totally change the MPs in office, they don't have the power. And what does it matter if a few supported the previous leader, it doesn't mean they can dictate matters under the new one. Surely they give everyone a clean slate and tell them what they want ...

... just like a football manager taking over from the previous boss.

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

I disagree. I think its tedious, lazy, and simple to assume that just because the Conservatives have been terrible that Labour are going to be wonderful. Most people could recognise how bad Boris Johnson was at the last election but he still achieved a huge victory over a party under the control of Corbyn and his acolytes. That's how little people thought of that iteration of the Labour party. How bad must they have been for the electorate to prefer Johnson's Conservative Party? While Labour look a much more sensible party under Starmer, they still include some Corbynites in their most prominent MPs. It's not good enough to blithely assume that Labour will be an improvement on the Conservatives, we as an electorate must demand more from politicians so that we don't end up with the same appalling choice that we did in 2019.

Where have I said labour will be wonderful?

Agree on the Corbyn disaster- didn’t seem to stand for anything. Starmer is an upgrade in competence.

The last election was a perfect storm with it being a Brexit election, woeful labour leadership and a populist bluffer armed with a 3 word slogan who conned enough voters(although numbers wise not many more than May received) just translated into more seats thanks to our system and Ukips tactics against Labour.

The slogans will not wash next year imo. The Tories are divided between the far right lunatics and the moderate right of centre with a ‘leader’ looking weak as piss trying to keep the loons onside and hiding away every time there’s a confrontation.

 

[Sunderpitt]

Politicians of all hues need to be held to account by the electorate.

I generally vote Labour, but never think they are perfect.

I applauded what the Blair/Brown duo did putting the NHS and education on a firm footing.( Although as a professional bean counter, PFI was always going to be costly, cos the Treasury cannot distinguish between capital and income).

However I met an old friend recently and we reminisced about the very large anti-war demo we were on in 2003. B liar and WMDs

In many ways the Cons in the last decade have shown what I usually expect of them. They look after the better off, those who can afford to educate their kids privately, have private medical insurance and own their own houses.

As a governor of a village primary school in a relatively deprived area, I see first hand that state education is on its knees. Then being 3 score years and 10, who uses the NHS regularly its fairly obvious our health care for the majority, ie the less well off, is in crisis. Housing is also in crisis with a huge increase in house building needed.

I do not absolve the Labour Party of blame for the election for probably the least suited person ever to be the country's PM.
As they indulged themselves by having the vote losing Corbyn as their leader and a foolish stance on Brexit.

Do I think Starmer is great no... he will hiwever be a sober hard working PM. Although I think as discussed in earlier posts Labour has some capable women.

 

[The Exile II]

It's like saying because James Vaughan was a **** centre forward that all centre forwards are **** so we should never have swapped him for another centre forward. They have run out of excuses for their Tory overlords so they now blame the whole institution of Parliament and democracy for the lies, incompetence and rifling of the public purse the Tories have been doing for the last 13 years. It is so predictable and they simply do not want to admit they were wrong to vote them in in the first place.

As usual, absolute bollocks.

A more appropriate example would be if we were offered John Stead or Brett Angell in a swap for Vaughn.