Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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Gordon Armstrong said:
Matt Hancock has told lawyers that he wants immunity regarding care home deaths during the Covid pandemic.
Some think that Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson should be pursued to the ends of the earth to bring justice for the tens of thousands of avoidable deaths.
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Matt Hancock told lawyers that he should be immune from court action.
He said that he should not be the target of judicial reviews regarding his department’s failure to safeguard care home residents simply because he was Secretary of State.

I don't know, but is asking for immunity not an admission of guilt :emoticon-0112-wonde
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More likely he's aware of how the system itself conspires to make only the person at the top guilty. There will have been thousands of decisions and actions made every week in his name as secretary of state that he will have known nothing about.

I tend to use the pandemic stockpile as an example here. At ministerial level all you'll be doing is asking about it's status. If the person who's responsible for that stockpile lies to the minister and says it's fine when there's a load of boxes that haven't even been opened in it (as the army found when they went into it), is that the Minister's fault? Should the Minister be be doing the weekly stock check?

I've yet to hear about a single individual in the NHS being sacked or even censured for abdicating their delegated responsibilities during COVID, but accepted logic seems to be that if you get rid of the person at the top nobody else needs to be at fault.

It's like if I ****ed up in my previous job and an aircraft crashed, I'd get away with it but the chief of the air staff would have to go.
 
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Bit like the guy who gave the go ahead for British troops to go into battle on a lie of Weapons of mass destruction, but nobody's chasing him, may the Blair witch rot in hell. Along with all his hidden cash from the Panama papers the weasel
 
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Gordon Armstrong said:
Matt Hancock has told lawyers that he wants immunity regarding care home deaths during the Covid pandemic.
Some think that Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson should be pursued to the ends of the earth to bring justice for the tens of thousands of avoidable deaths.
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mirror.co.uk
Matt Hancock told lawyers that he should be immune from court action.
He said that he should not be the target of judicial reviews regarding his department’s failure to safeguard care home residents simply because he was Secretary of State.

I don't know, but is asking for immunity not an admission of guilt :emoticon-0112-wonde
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In a word.... Yes.
 
Labour did round here. Imagine the crime, voting with a policy you believe in rather than voting against it because it is proposed by the other party! Wonder if that ever catches on again, like it once did... unlikely I would guess.

Labour now in power here, big majority. 2 weeks in backtracking on the big issue for the community. No surprises at all, talk a decent game, cant deliver. Same old politics, different colour badge. We are going to have to do it ourselves, as usual.
 
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Labour did round here. Imagine the crime, voting with a policy you believe in rather than voting against it because it is proposed by the other party! Wonder if that ever catches on again, like it once did... unlikely I would guess.

Labour now in power here, big majority. 2 weeks in backtracking on the big issue for the community. No surprises at all, talk a decent game, cant deliver. Same old politics, different colour badge. We are going to have to do it ourselves, as usual.
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<applause><applause><applause><applause>:emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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So what? How does that mean anyone is laughing at anyone else? Surely it just means that that the Lib Dem councillors agreed with what the Conservative councillors were saying, as is their right in a democracy.
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How dare they vote for something they agreed with. Scandalous. Should be like Labour and say it is bad because it is tory and offer no alternative, no rigorous srutiny and no sense of balance in the debate. The irony of the post, in my opinion anyway, is the Lib Dems are a far better political bet than Labour. Maybe that is what Labour supporters are scared of now hence these cartoons trying to throw them in with the tories.
 
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Labour party fined by the electoral commission. 7 offences of not declaring a donation on time. They were probably too busy checking on speeding fines for tories to be fair to them. Priorities and all that.
 
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Another grassroots labour controversy where the central labour party block a candidate wanted by the local party. This time a whole Labour selection committee resign in disgust. There has been a lot of this under Starmer. The labour grassroots accusing him of saying one thing in his bid for the leadership, and doing the opposite when in the position. Makes you wonder, or does me anyway, what kind of leader of our country we are getting. I agree they cant be worse, but right now they look pretty unfit in my opinion.
 
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FellTop said:
How dare they vote for something they agreed with. Scandalous. Should be like Labour and say it is bad because it is tory and offer no alternative, no rigorous srutiny and no sense of balance in the debate. The irony of the post, in my opinion anyway, is the Lib Dems are a far better political bet than Labour. Maybe that is what Labour supporters are scared of now hence these cartoons trying to throw them in with the tories.
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You may well be right. The recent local elections certainly didn't suggest that Labour are going to make a clean sweep at the GE, they just showed a rejection of the Tories and the Lib Dems may be just as well placed to take advantage of that as Labour. It certainly must be giving them pause for thought, no matter what they say publicly.

The underlying concept behind the meme, that the Tories and anything associated with them is evil and malicious, is beyond pathetic in my opinion. Yes, the current Tory government has shown itself to be largely incompetent sometimes self-serving, and is becoming more and more unpopular but that doesn't equate to malice. And the county councillors that it refers to aren't necessarily anything like the government.
 
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FellTop said:
Another grassroots labour controversy where the central labour party block a candidate wanted by the local party. This time a whole Labour selection committee resign in disgust. There has been a lot of this under Starmer. The labour grassroots accusing him of saying one thing in his bid for the leadership, and doing the opposite when in the position. Makes you wonder, or does me anyway, what kind of leader of our country we are getting. I agree they cant be worse, but right now they look pretty unfit in my opinion.
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Equally though, Starmer is being told that he shouldn’t alienate the far left of the party. In my opinion, it was the dominance of the far left in the party that contributed to their poor performance in the last GE. I don't blame him for trying to move the party back towards the centre ground. The fact that there's heavy resistance to that show that they are not united. So, as you say, unfit at the moment.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
You may well be right. The recent local elections certainly didn't suggest that Labour are going to make a clean sweep at the GE, they just showed a rejection of the Tories and the Lib Dems may be just as well placed to take advantage of that as Labour. It certainly must be giving them pause for thought, no matter what they say publicly.

The underlying concept behind the meme, that the Tories and anything associated with them is evil and malicious, is beyond pathetic in my opinion. Yes, the current Tory government has shown itself to be largely incompetent sometimes self-serving, and is becoming more and more unpopular but that doesn't equate to malice. And the county councillors that it refers to aren't necessarily anything like the government.
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Great post. I have said before, and will say it again, this is the worst government in my lifetime. I do think under Sunak there is a semblance of good sense and decision making returning. I suspect he is a solid PM, but he is tarnished by his party, and the in fighting.

When you listen to Ed Davey talk it is refreshing. He is a man that genuinely cares, is a lifetime politician and has genuine policies around social responsibility and caring. They are my sort of politics.

I was at a meeting last night, led by labour councillors. They took an absolute battering off some of the shouty lot. I was one of a few who stayed on after, by invite, to try to help come up with ideas. I have no problem with that, although I was disappointed in their own lack of ideas and to an extent understanding. I did tell them that, and they took it on the chin. As I spoke to them though I knew they were genuine people, wanting to help. They arent horrible people with malicious intent at all. I just have a different idea on things. Bottom line I am now, along with a few other in the community, roped in to sort the problem, and hopefully the council will jump on board at some point.

I wanted to share something though that really wound me up. It started with a series of updates and talks. Labour councillors, conservatives, independants, selected locals. It wasnt particularly political, no points scoring in the early stages. Then a new labour councillor stood up to talk, not even from the borough, and he spent 2 minutes railing against the tories and these issues they had caused. One old chap, in his 70s, got up and walked out and on his way said I am not here to listen to politics when we have a community crisis. He had been a councillor here for years. It struck me as a new wave of politicians not being able to read the room at all. He was the only speaker who got no applause or recognition. It was a terrible thing to see and hear. Now the boot could just as easily be on the other foot and it be a tory doing it. The point is I think we have created a new generation of so called politicians who know nothing other than pointing, shouting and saying all your fault, without having any idea whatsoever about what to do to improve things. I walked out with a couple of people who are also going to help, and everyone thought the same about his intervention. Worrying times, seen first hand.
 
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