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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. DH4

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    A more cynical person than myself would liken that to perverting the course of justice.<whistle>
     
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  2. The Exile II

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    I rest my case.
     
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  3. DH4

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    Braverman is a qualified barrister, so she can comprehend rules and regulations. She has attempted to circumvent the law using her position. That breaks the ministerial code, so she should know that and resign. Left her job once before for breaching the ministerial code. To lose one ministerial position may be seen as unfortunate, to lose both seems like downright carelessness <laugh>
     
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  4. The Exile II

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    Asking to do a course in private is not the same as not asking to do a course at all. But of course you know that, and you'll be defending to the death someone doing similar with a red rosette on.
     
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  5. Snaggey

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    Asking to do it in private is all well and good, if she had gone to the company and asked herself, after all, it was her who was caught speeding.
    She didn't.
    She asked the civil service to do it for her....that's abusing her position.
     
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  6. FellTop

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    I would be amazed if celebrities, or high profile types, dont do individual courses to be honest. Imagine the distraction to the course of the home secretary being in there. Not to mention the security needs.

    Maybe she should have used the lawyer celebs do to get her avoid all penalties. Seems like those people are ok in the eyes of the public. If this is really worth an inquiry can I please ask only those who are desperate for it have their taxes used to pay for it?

    Actually not a bad idea that. Inquiries funded by those who want them by crowd funding. Stop some of this wailing and whining that goes on. Inquiries are hugely important for things like the iraq war and handling of covid. But dear me we need a sense of perspective I think.
     
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  7. The Exile II

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    The kind of role misunderstanding that will go on multiple times a day across every party and their assistants. Except in most cases the assistants don't feel the need to instantly call the media about it. I wonder why she's a special case, and I know exactly what it would be called if it was a Labour Home Secretary.
     
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  8. Row 3

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    Impossible to happen across every party (at the same time), the only party that can instruct civil servants is the party of government.

    If anyone wants to ask an adviser to intervene that's fine, but once a civil servant becomes involved it moves from being a private request to one that could be seen as an official government request.

    I don't think Braverman has deliberately tried to pervert the system, but I do believe she's been either stupid or naive (or both) in this matter. Either way, it merits investigation.

    As for what would happen of it were a Labour politician, that's just whataboutery.
     
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  9. Sunderpitt

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    My son racked up a number of points and was looking at a ban and choose to go to court, without a solicitor, but suited and booted. Car needed for work.
    1st time, he did not see the beak, court ran out of time.

    So went 2nd time, ran out of time again, court too busy. Was let off , points back to zero!
     
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    I got done by a hand held speed gun weilding officer. 38 in a 30. 8am on a sunday morning, no signs to state it was a 30. Apparently I should have known because of the distance apart of the streetlights. Officer was the most condescending person. 3 points and £60. I had a boss who was a JP and asked him about it. He said if I brought that in front of him he would uphold the points and overturn the fine. I went to court, got off with the lot, and 1 month later 30 mile an hour road signs put up.
     
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  11. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Not really. We have already seen examples on here.

    Everytime the Conservative MP's do wrong its brought up on here and they're hung out to dry. When something is going on with Labour MP's, like the recent sexual assault claims, nothing is said.
     
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  12. Row 3

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    The fact you've just bought it up disproves your point. Couldn't care which party people represent, if they abuse their position they should face the consequences.
     
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  13. Saf

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    Fully agree with that bit.

    No idea what you're talking about with the first bit. You said it Exiles point was whataboutery, so I gave you an example. That's all.
     
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  14. Row 3

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    You said recent wrongdoings by a Labour MP are never mentioned, but you mentioning them disproves that. Pedantic point probably TBH.
     
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  15. Saf

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    Okay then, I'll explain it further.

    A few Labour voters on here who jump on the Tory MP scandals, stay quiet when it's Labour MP's who are caught up in wrongdoings.
     
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    That's up to them mate. I'm a Labour party member but if one of our own is out of order I will call it out.
     
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    I am invited to a meeting called by my wonderful new Labour council tonight. Couple of weeks since they got major majority and they have gone back on a major commitment made in the campaign. A commitment that got a lot of voters turning out it seems and is very significant for the community. I am going to tell them exactly what I think of them, their politics and demand better. Then I will tell them how to do their job, because clearly they havent got a clue. I only wish I was surprised, I didnt believe a word of what they said.
     
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  20. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan
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    Matt Hancock has told lawyers that he wants immunity regarding care home deaths during the Covid pandemic.
    Some think that Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson should be pursued to the ends of the earth to bring justice for the tens of thousands of avoidable deaths.

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    Matt Hancock told lawyers that he should be immune from court action
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    He said that he should not be the target of judicial reviews regarding his department’s failure to safeguard care home residents simply because he was Secretary of State.

    I don't know, but is asking for immunity not an admission of guilt :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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