Not defending Israel. They're clearly in the wrong. And have acted morally irreparably. In many ways Israel has acted much worse than Russia. But for this to be a true parallel to Russia, Ukraine would have had to be the one invading Russia and Russia win the war. Both nations have acted abhorrently, but I fail to see Israel and Russia situations as similar.
Not only do they have them, they even signed off on using them and had Egypt encroached any further they had plans signed and in place to launch a nuclear attack on several of their middle east neighbours... Egypt came perilously close to that red line before the war started to turn. USSR was on very good terms with Egypt at the time and saw Israel as a US/NATO pawn. Had Israel struck Egypt, USSR might have considered the just response to launch an equally weighty strike on Israel... If US or Israel responded to that it could have dragged us all down.
You're going to have to explain that comparison mate. Are you saying the Palestinians invaded Israel?
Some of Palestine they held since day one, but I believe the majority of it they took in the 60's. Egypt and Syria moved forces to border of Israel preparing for invasion and imposed an embargo on Israel. Israel did actually fire the first shots of the war, but it was clear that their neighbours intended hostilities after not having been happy with the outcome of the previous wars and scuffles. Israel ended up winning the war and claiming the need for territorial defence stole land from Egypt, Syria, and occupied the rest of Palestine (who had been launching attacks from inside their land to try to reclaim the portion of their land owned by the Israelis in the years before the war).
Mate the Israeli's had their arse handed to them in the Suez by Nasser when America didn't have their back. The mistake Nasser made in '67 was he opted for diplomacy instead of attack at the 11th hour at the request of the American. But it weren't Eisenhower in charge now, and he was well and truly shafted bcos while he waited for the U.N. the Israelis did what they always do the snide Machiavellian ****s. At no point is Israel a Ukraine in any scenario.
The problem that worries me the most, not me specifically today because I'm too old to care, but for the future. I often feel that the UK will become the first target when it kicks off, whether that be with Russia, China, whoever. We will be seen as collateral damage. Yeah big America and the EU will say mighty words and we can lob one back, but come the end of the day, no one is going to press the self destruct button to save us. Putin would take us out without a second thought, not that I'm pointing the finger at him, because as I've maintained, there are two sides to the story. One day from somewhere in the world, we the UK will be used as a message to everyone else, it makes sense surely being a tiny little island.
Anyone see Michael Palin at the weekend, the old 'pole to pole' series. He visted Estonia and Ukraine, as the USSR crumbled. He actually had someone on the programme talking about Ukraine's future freedom, and this was back in 1991/92.
Bombs of peace If someone nuked the UK, and NATO didn't retaliate it would be chaos. Every nuclear country in the world would know that if they nuke a country the west wouldn't have the bottle to retaliate. Having said that, I can see why no one would retaliate either bcos then they'll basically be signing up to self-destruction and pretty much the end of the world. I can only take comfort from knowing that it's highly unlikely anyone would bother to nuke Manchester. Maybe the Etihad.
Soz I know it's not really the right thread, but not sure where is, but Ash Regan here made me laugh, she looks so sour after defeat...
No such thing as "just one nuke" these days. Not against a nuclear power anyway. If you hit UK with one ICBM, you'd hit them with everything you've got and all their potential allies too. Same goes for any and all nuclear powers. One bomb = nuclear war so you might as well give it all youve got and hopefully prevent them being able to launch some of their weapons.
