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cumbrianmackem said:
Appalling really but modern day football owners are as impatient as they're ruthless.
Don't like seeing people lose their jobs but he wasn't getting a tune out of Rangers as they have some decent players.
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But then one question you can ask yourself is - is the manager a good one or are the players just not listening to him?
 
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Essayyeffcee said:
But then one question you can ask yourself is - is the manager a good one or are the players just not listening to him?
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If he was a good manager, the players would listen to him and perform well.
 
Saff said:
If he was a good manager, the players would listen to him and perform well.
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Not necessarily. If he's asked them to do something in training that they don't like perhaps? Footballers can be so precious these days you know and know that if they don't play for the manager, the chairman/owner will sack the manager and get someone else in that they might like. I think the times that the likes of Ferguson and Clough ruled the players with a rod of steel are gone
 
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Essayyeffcee said:
Not necessarily. If he's asked them to do something in training that they don't like perhaps? Footballers can be so precious these days you know and know that if they don't play for the manager, the chairman/owner will sack the manager and get someone else in that they might like. I think the times that the likes of Ferguson and Clough ruled the players with a rod of steel are gone
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I think there's much more to it than ruling the players with an iron fist. Every players character and therefore needs is different. A good manager will quickly realise that and manage each player differently.

Ultimately, what I'm trying to say is that the buck stops at the top. The manager needs to find a way to engage with his players and for them to listen and respect him. A good manager will do that.
 
cumbrianmackem said:
Appalling really but modern day football owners are as impatient as they're ruthless.
Don't like seeing people lose their jobs but he wasn't getting a tune out of Rangers as they have some decent players.
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To be honest though, one win in 12 games, eight consecutive games at home with out a win would have anyone under pressure, especially as they were near the top of the table until just before the world cup. They've been a comfortable mid table team for the last couple of season, so falling apart as badly as they're doing now will always come back on a managers head
 
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Saff said:
I think there's much more to it than ruling the players with an iron fist. Every players character and therefore needs is different. A good manager will quickly realise that and manage each player differently.

Ultimately, what I'm trying to say is that the buck stops at the top. The manager needs to find a way to engage with his players and for them to listen and respect him. A good manager will do that.
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But in another light - a manager is only as good as the players he has at his disposal. People go on and say how great a mananger Guardiola is but I would love him to build a side from scratch and have it challenging for titles instead of buying players for ridiculous money but it'll never happen.
 
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C Montgomery Burns said:
To be honest though, one win in 12 games, eight consecutive games at home with out a win would have anyone under pressure, especially as they were near the top of the table until just before the world cup. They've been a comfortable mid table team for the last couple of season, so falling apart as badly as they're doing now will always come back on a managers head
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Looking from the outside in with the scenario you posted, there does seem to be something wrong. Maybe the same kind of scenario that we saw at our place that Poyet speculated to - something "toxic" and that can only addressed at the top level of the club
 
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12 games is no time at all but it seems to be the modern way. Loyalty has gone out of the game and it's a real shame. You wonder how many times Peter Reid would have been sacked before getting us 7th in the Premier League had it happened in current times
 
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Daft decision to make, 12 games in and the last 2 we're against teams in the play off positions.
 
TopCat_ said:
12 games is no time at all but it seems to be the modern way. Loyalty has gone out of the game and it's a real shame. You wonder how many times Peter Reid would have been sacked before getting us 7th in the Premier League had it happened in current times
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I totally agree. Football nowadays is not the football I grew up with. Certain managers being synonymous with certain teams - Fergie and Clough with 2! There's too much greed in football these days and I point the finger at the Premier League. First it was the so called "big six" clubs wanting more money, then when the premier was formed and the money came with it from Sky, more and more teams had the same attitude but still the "big" clubs wanted more and its filtering down the leagues I think. Not so much league 2 but the teams in league one who like us shouldn't be in that league - Sheff Wed, Derby, Ipswich, Bolton - teams that not too long ago were playing in the top league. They'll be owners looking at the Premier and thinking to themselves that if they get there, how much money they would get - I suppose it can be compared to a addictive gambler looking for that big payout
 
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Essayyeffcee said:
I totally agree. Football nowadays is not the football I grew up with. Certain managers being synonymous with certain teams - Fergie and Clough with 2! There's too much greed in football these days and I point the finger at the Premier League. First it was the so called "big six" clubs wanting more money, then when the premier was formed and the money came with it from Sky, more and more teams had the same attitude but still the "big" clubs wanted more and its filtering down the leagues I think. Not so much league 2 but the teams in league one who like us shouldn't be in that league - Sheff Wed, Derby, Ipswich, Bolton - teams that not too long ago were playing in the top league. They'll be owners looking at the Premier and thinking to themselves that if they get there, how much money they would get - I suppose it can be compared to a addictive gambler looking for that big payout
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Clough's first seasons at Derby and Forest were underwhelming. Likely he would have been sacked by both clubs in this day and age.
 
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Essayyeffcee said:
But in another light - a manager is only as good as the players he has at his disposal. People go on and say how great a mananger Guardiola is but I would love him to build a side from scratch and have it challenging for titles instead of buying players for ridiculous money but it'll never happen.
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I dont agree with either of them points. How many times at Sunderland have we seen players underperforming, we then get a new manager and the players look a lot better once the new manager has had time to coach them?

As for the Guardiola thing... What would it prove him building a side from scratch with no money? There's plenty of managers out there who have spent enormous sums of money, even at City before Guardiola come along and they've not been able to put a winning side together. We are seeing it now with Potter at Chelsea. Spending money on top players and moulding them into a side is a fine art and Pep Guardiola is the best out there, at doing that.
 
rowley said:
Ditto

Ditto Fergie at Utd, O'Neill at Leicester, and loads of others. More recently Franks at Brentford had an absolute horror start when he began there following Smith.

It takes time.
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Most were screaming for Arteta to be sacked. Top of the premier now.
 
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Saff said:
I dont agree with either of them points. How many times at Sunderland have we seen players underperforming, we then get a new manager and the players look a lot better once the new manager has had time to coach them?

As for the Guardiola thing... What would it prove him building a side from scratch with no money? There's plenty of managers out there who have spent enormous sums of money, even at City before Guardiola come along and they've not been able to put a winning side together. We are seeing it now with Potter at Chelsea. Spending money on top players and moulding them into a side is a fine art and Pep Guardiola is the best out there, at doing that.
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So how come after we've stopped up one season, the team underperformed again the next, we sack the manager and the whole thing starts again?
 
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