Off Topic The SIR Kenny Dalglish Public House
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If we could go back to 2007, how manny of us would prefer those nice American chaps Hicks and Gillett over those ghastly Arabs from DIC?
Will he ever play for us even when fit
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in 2007 we knew no better.
we did know cheslea were buying the league
we didn't want the thai pm as we thought he was corrupt as ****. city got lucky he didn't bust them
we are allowed to actually learn from things and tbh I think just about every fan set bar the ones actually getting the despot sportswashing treatment seem to agree they don't actually want their club to go that way
in ye olden days when newcastle were good and we were not I think a lot of reds fans wished them well to try win something but now if they win that league Cup it's.not an achievement at all. it's just more sportswashing
You trying to convince yourself?
Not at all. I have mastered basic comprehension skills so never any confusion for me.
Come on Donga mate - you've hated FSG since they were first announced - without ever giving them a chance, it seems. They're not H&G just because they're the same nationality.
For the record, I dislike almost everything about US culture, from its utterly insane gun obsession, to its attitude to race, religion, education, health and so many other things.
But not all Yanks are the same, and can't be stereotyped in this fashion.
I also want to correct a wrong impression I think I may be giving. I don't have a downer on Arabs per se, but I dislike the regimes that currently rule many of the Arab states, and they are the ones behind all of these purchases.
I said before we can't expect anyone else to change their historical culture at our behest, but neither should we be expected to compromise our own ethics on their behalf.
We're all part of the same global community so we have to deal with each other on a practical level, but that doesn't run to selling our national institutions to them.
In my opinion.
Not at all. I have mastered basic comprehension skills so never any confusion for me.
Sounds like the alcohol talking...
Mate, I appreciate NESV, as were, were a step up from H&G, who got everything they deserved. But let's go back to the beginning - they got the club in a distressed sale for half its book price: good for them. They and RBS went to court to defend that decision by saying that they had £200m in the bank to build the new stadium. That they never is okay, but the new stand, Anny Rd End and Kirkby were then supposedly the £200m 'investment' in the club instead. Except that they charged the club for all of that, though it doesn't affect FFP.
On top of that, their parsimony with their managers after Dalglish has been shocking. Perhaps they thought they got their fingers burned over Carrol, or maybe it gave them an excuse, but we forget that Rogers was handicapped too by their niggardly approach with two examples that stand out: Rodgers begging to be allowed to buy Ashley Williams in Jan 2014 (would have won us the Prem, IMO) and wanting to sign Sanchez with the Suarez money (fair enough, he wanted to go to Arsenal) and ending up with Balotelli instead. There are countless instances of similar things under Klopp, but my point is made - they've never moved from the Moneyball approach despite us now being, according to a report last year in the Echo, the team with almost £400m wiggle room under FFP, the highest in the Prem.
So thank you FSG for not being Hicks and Gillett. They steadied the ship, and for this, they have seen their initial investment increase in value by 10 to 20-fold, depending on what figure they actually did pay for the club, and what the true valuation is now. But now they seem utterly incapable of raising 200m or so to strengthen our season and challenge for the top four, and will instead try to attract top talent to the club in the summer without the CL league and its money, and all the stagnation that will accompany that. It doesn't add up.
Well, there is what was put in to write off debts as well so...
in the end they are.small time. they like to think they are big players but they really are not. they are just a regional outfit for baseball trying to act large.
They wrote off £50m 'stadium' debt, as I recall. The rest went to RBS, and H&G were still on the hook for about £200m to the likes of UBS and Chase Manhattan.
We're on the same side, of course, we want the best for the club that's been such a big part of our lives.
But tbh, I just can't see where we go from here. I don't want us to be a state-owned club, and I don't want us to be a billionaire's vanity project, but I can't see how we can compete with those things and remain true to the values that we shared growing up.
Football has gone to the dogs truly, and I can't see how we can beat them without joining them, but it doesn't sit well with me.
Morality Monday question.
If you could kill one random person and it cures worldwide depression, and causes long term worldwide happiness would you do it?
What about if instead of the world, it cures depression and causes universal happiness only in your town?
How many people would have to be happy for a death to be worth it?
If you could kill one random person and it cures worldwide depression, and causes long term worldwide happiness would you do it?
What about if instead of the world, it cures depression and causes universal happiness only in your town?
How many people would have to be happy for a death to be worth it?
it's hypothetical as the world doesn't work that way.
if you used the old version of this about killing baby Hitler you basically get to the same kind of discussion.
it's more about morality of justifying murder rather than improving the world..... or you are looking to hire one of us to kill someone for you.
either way.
Of course it's hypothetical. Unless you know where the guy who invented the cell-phone lives...
How many people would have to be made happy to be worth a random human life.
It's two separate moral questions.Of course it's hypothetical. Unless you know where the guy who invented the cell-phone lives...
How many people would have to be made happy to be worth a random human life.
Is one life worth billions? I imagine most people would say yes, but who has the moral right to make the decision or pull the trigger is a different matter.
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That’s a bit like your in a runaway train/car.
It’s heading right at 4 people who will all be killed.
but you could change the direction and it’ll kill 1 person.
Do you not touch it and let 4 people die. Or do you purposely steer it into 1 person knowing you saved 4, but it’s 100% your fault that 1 died.
It’s heading right at 4 people who will all be killed.
but you could change the direction and it’ll kill 1 person.
Do you not touch it and let 4 people die. Or do you purposely steer it into 1 person knowing you saved 4, but it’s 100% your fault that 1 died.
Yeah, it really doesn't make any difference what the scenario is, it boils down to the same question of whether there can be any justification for murder.
Once there's a crack to work at that some level of justification is possible then the bar is systematically lowered from the extreme global benefit (kill Hitler thing) towards is it OK to kill for smaller and smaller reasons.
It's an age old trope.
So anyway.... who's the target you want offed?
Once there's a crack to work at that some level of justification is possible then the bar is systematically lowered from the extreme global benefit (kill Hitler thing) towards is it OK to kill for smaller and smaller reasons.
It's an age old trope.
So anyway.... who's the target you want offed?
Yes, it's a variation of the train problem... Only this time you're not saving any lives (not directly anyway) you're improving the quality of life for many.