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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    With respect mate, that wasn’t what I asked.
    Am I being cynical to think that the EU, in my opinion, being hand in hand with big business, would want to make it slightly more attractive in the short term to get people onto short term “agency” contracts, therefore being in danger of being exploited as cheaper labour later on, as they would surely have less protections ?
     
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    Again, it seems to me to be a flawed judgment in one case.

    Anyway my argument is not that the EU is a better protector of workers' rights than Unions, it's that it's better for workers to have EU protection against a Thatcherite Tory government than not.
     
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    Again I would respectfully disagree……the fact that we have now got rid of an anti-worker, pro big business organisation…can only mean that it’s gives more strength to the fight against the Tory Government.
    In fact it’s one that’s already being fought on the picket lines today.
    The tide is turning……
     
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    I know it wasn't what you asked, but I just don't see the statement about protections for agency workers the same way you do.

    As I suggested in my last answer, I see the EU as being less hand-in-hand with big business than the Tories. That's all.

    Here's some EU propaganda on stuff they've introduced...

    How the EU improves workers’ rights and working conditions | News | European Parliament (europa.eu)

    We wouldn't have got any of that from a Tory government outside the EU.
     
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    So no one worked more than the maximum 48 hours per week
    Fantastic
    What were nurses complaining about
     
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    We are just gonna have to disagree I guess…..I see the EU as being just as much in the pocket of big business as the Tories are……and in some ways more so.

    Anyway bed for me now…..one last shift to go and hoping not to have me or my crewmate assaulted, like we were today. It’s great to put laws in place that someone can be imprisoned for assaulting an ER worker….but totally meaningless and unworkable in practice.

    Nice to have a sensible conversation, however much we might disagree.
     
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    Half way through todays shift and after attending yet another drunk, on the floor and unable to look after themselves…..I’m kinda wondering if I might have found part of the reason there are no ambulance.
    And so another 2 hour wait at hospital beckons…..
     
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    Go easy on him, it may be kiwi
     
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    It’s an easy job…can’t complain. Better than yesterdays joy who decided to try and strangle my crew mate…..Some strong words were exchanged
     
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    I thought it was now 45 minutes max then chuck them out?
     
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    Well that’s the thing……..if your patient is on a trolly bed and there is no hospital bed to transfer them to…then the said guidance is quite unworkable. If pts can walk and aren’t “big sick” they would go in the waiting room anyway for triage. And of course if they don’t need to go to hospital..I really don’t take them
     
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    Up to my 'retirement' working in Local Government in 2012, services would have totally collapsed if the 48 hour maximum was enforced. Sub-contracting and 'flexible contracts' bypassed much of that...
     
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    Well he has learned from the best and has worked out that the way to a true Tory's heart is to promise everything to everyone. I won't waste my time holding my breath and closing my eyes in the hope any of it will come true. There'll always be a ready -made (almost said oven ready) excuse why he fails to deliver on any of those promises.
     
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    Having listened to Starmer his promises around the NHS are identical, including using private firms, all about massive investment in training which will take years to work through the system and is pointless unless terms and conditions for NHS staff provide decent living standards and careers. Personally I don’t blame doctors and nurses who seize control of their own lives by opting for agency work or locum posts where they earn more and can decide when and where they want to work in the slightest.

    All wrapped up in a promise not to spend more than the Tories overall.

    Still, can’t expect anything more. I have to remind myself that Labour stopped even pretending to be a socialist party back in 1995. Why don’t the fringe MPs and members who say they have socialist principles join a party which is more explicitly in line with what they say they believe? Good example is Great British Energy, which is not a nationalisation of energy resources in the U.K., it’s simply a new, govt funded (if Labour gets in) ie taxpayer funded player in the energy market, which will also form partnerships with private sector firms - doubtless on the projects which are high risk and which the private sector wouldn’t touch without a safety net. In other words Starmer is proposing a way to insure the private sector against risk. Neat.
     
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    Labour under Corbyn came pretty close to having a Socialist agenda.
     
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    Sadly he was stabbed in the back by the same people that the centre-left now call leader.
     
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    Clause 4, the Blair version, was and is still in place. Corbyn was a rebel against his own party constitution. Bizarre stuff. He lost two elections, albeit with one surprisingly good performance, coupled with one total destruction, he was clearly never a credible leader with the electorate and certainly had the majority of his own MPs against him - they won’t make the mistake of nominating someone of his ilk ‘for balance’ again. Not really important any more, Labour is definitely New Labour again.
     
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    Labour/Conservative…….2 cheeks of the same arse
     
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    Keeping the snout in the trough is all that matters
     
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    Four legs good……two legs bad
     
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