Strikes

[Ivan Dobsky]

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It's patently ****ing obvious that the government wants this strike to run and run to deflect from all the issues above. They know exactly what they're doing, and have done since Schapps was playing two hands of poker at the same time in the summer when the strikes began "We can't get involved in private companies' negotiations", "We can't allow pay above inflation in the public sector".

An irony is that DOO couldn't be introduced on over half the network yet anyway because the trains and stations are not equipped for it, even with the newer trains. And if you take the Northern network in the North East, for example, the vast amount of stations are unstaffed and have been since a '90s, post-privatisation exercise called 'Matching Resources to Needs" (which was actually the other way around, truth be told), thus the trains themselves would have to be fully redesigned to take cameras and also linked to cameras on the platform at curved stations.

DOO will come, it's progress - but the government's obsession with de-staffing both stations AND trains at the same time is self-defeating - and it'll leave a legacy that some government at some time in the future will have to redress. And it utterly will not in any way, shape or form lead to a reduction in ticket prices nor, I promise you, any reduction in the taxpayer subsidy paid to the Tory-donating, shareholder dividend paying, director bonus rewarding Train Companies.

 

[brb]

It's patently ****ing obvious that the government wants this strike to run and run to deflect from all the issues above. They know exactly what they're doing, and have done since Schapps was playing two hands of poker at the same time in the summer when the strikes began "We can't get involved in private companies' negotiations", "We can't allow pay above inflation in the public sector".

An irony is that DOO couldn't be introduced on over half the network yet anyway because the trains and stations are not equipped for it, even with the newer trains. And if you take the Northern network in the North East, for example, the vast amount of stations are unstaffed and have been since a '90s, post-privatisation exercise called 'Matching Resources to Needs" (which was actually the other way around, truth be told), thus the trains themselves would have to be fully redesigned to take cameras and also linked to cameras on the platform at curved stations.

DOO will come, it's progress - but the government's obsession with de-staffing both stations AND trains at the same time is self-defeating - and it'll leave a legacy that some government at some time in the future will have to redress. And it utterly will not in any way, shape or form lead to a reduction in ticket prices nor, I promise you, any reduction in the taxpayer subsidy paid to the Tory-donating, shareholder dividend paying, director bonus rewarding Train Companies.

Surely Labour will redress all this, so my guess you have only got to wait two years, so what's the big deal?

Ticket offices we've already discussed, and surely Labour had chance when they were last in power to redress some of the stuff restricting union action - my guess is you know as well as I do, that maybe Labour won't redress anything, so then you can moan about them too.

 

[brb]

Self checkouts at all Supermarkets
Cashless ticket sales at football grounds, purchases online
Self service pumps and payments at fuel stations
Self check in at airports
Self check ins at Premier Inn
Cashless payments / order from tables at restaurants
Self order at McDonalds
Amazon trialling stores with no employees
The list is endless

The world has changed, surely the railways need to do the same and move out of the prehistoric era?

 

[Sucky]

Surely Labour will redress all this, so my guess you have only got to wait two years, so what's the big deal?

Ticket offices we've already discussed, and surely Labour had chance when they were last in power to redress some of the stuff restricting union action - my guess is you know as well as I do, that maybe Labour won't redress anything, so then you can moan about them too.

Butthurt

Yeh but labour

 

[brb]

Butthurt

Yeh but labour

So do you never order stuff online, do you never pay cashless, what do you do when you order food and drink at Wetherspoons in London, do you not use self checkouts - how's that butt hurt, it's the truth.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Surely Labour will redress all this, so my guess you have only got to wait two years, so what's the big deal?

Ticket offices we've already discussed, and surely Labour had chance when they were last in power to redress some of the stuff restricting union action - my guess is you know as well as I do, that maybe Labour won't redress anything, so then you can moan about them too.

The big deal (and it really, really is big) is that the agreement over pay and phased redundancies was all but agreed upon, but the government, which duplicitously tried to portray itself as not involved in the negotiations, were desperate to throw a spanner into the works to stop an agreement. They actually want the conflict just as Maggie wanted the 80's miners' strike to distract from other issues. As for Labour being in power, yes - they were in power when that de-staffing of stations occurred that I referred to - 'modernisations' are just as much the remit of Labour in power as the Tories, though they frequently go down a line of less confrontation and more voluntary severance/retraining and reskilling path than the slash-and-burn, Bradley Hardacre approach of the Tories.

 

[Sucky]

So do you never order stuff online, do you never pay cashless, what do you do when you order food and drink at Wetherspoons in London, do you not use self checkouts - how's that butt hurt, it's the truth.

Dont see your point tbh

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Dont see your point tbh

There’d have to be one.

 

[brb]

The big deal (and it really, really is big) is that the agreement over pay and phased redundancies was all but agreed upon, but the government, which duplicitously tried to portray itself as not involved in the negotiations, were desperate to throw a spanner into the works to stop an agreement. They actually want the conflict just as Maggie wanted the 80's miners' strike to distract from other issues. As for Labour being in power, yes - they were in power when that de-staffing of stations occurred that I referred to - 'modernisations' are just as much the remit of Labour in power as the Tories, though they frequently go down a line of less confrontation and more voluntary severance/retraining and reskilling path than the slash-and-burn, Bradley Hardacre approach of the Tories.

de-staffing at stations, so do you never use de-staffed companies?

do you never fill up at a self service petrol station
do you never order online
do you never use self checkouts

The list is endless.

Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like it, but I have had to accept it's the way of the world now, and I have to move over.

 

[Archers Road]

Unite Union under investigation by the police for corruption. Surely not true, only the Tories do that.

I’ve always said Len McClusky was a wrong’un and the Labour movement could go without gits like him. It was actually his successor at Unite, Sharon Graham, who commissioned this independent investigation into alleged dodgy dealings - don’t suppose the press will mention that though.

 

[brb]

Dont see your point tbh

all those businesses are now destaffed in a sense, so less service checkouts....all lost their jobs. If you want to scrap the cashless society via a revolution bro, go ahead and do it, I'm right behind you bruv.

 

[Archers Road]

de-staffing at stations, so do you never use de-staffed companies?

do you never fill up at a self service petrol station
do you never order online
do you never use self checkouts

The list is endless.

Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like it, but I have had to accept it's the way of the world now, and I have to move over.

Unmanned stations makes it extremely hard for disabled passengers to get around. It’s also dangerous for women at night

 

[brb]

I’ve always said Len McClusky was a wrong’un and the Labour movement could go without gits like him. It was actually his successor at Unite, Sharon Graham, who commissioned this independent investigation into alleged dodgy dealings - don’t suppose the press will mention that though.

So there was no dodgy dealings is that what you are telling me, and the police will find nothing, so no charges will be brought?

If so, fair enough.....

 

[Sucky]

de-staffing at stations, so do you never use de-staffed companies?

do you never fill up at a self service petrol station
do you never order online
do you never use self checkouts

The list is endless.

Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like it, but I have had to accept it's the way of the world now, and I have to move over.

Just Tories stealing Billions upon Billions of tax payer money, raggo.

But unions

 

[Sucky]

Unmanned stations makes it extremely hard for disabled passengers to get around. It’s also dangerous for women at night

Tories be like

Wheel youself home and rape is part of living in a big city.

Or something

 

[brb]

Unmanned stations makes it extremely hard for disabled passengers to get around. It’s also dangerous for women at night

I hear you mate, but I've had to lump it as well, people chose to use them, long before me, blame the younger generation, you are pointing your gun in the wrong direction.

 

[Sucky]

all those businesses are now destaffed in a sense, so less service checkouts....all lost their jobs. If you want to scrap the cashless society via a revolution bro, go ahead and do it, I'm right behind you bruv.

I dont.

I want the thieving tories scum to pay back every fuking penny they stole and serve serious jail time.

Thats my beef bro not fuking androids or computers

 

[brb]

Just Tories stealing Billions upon Billions of tax payer money, raggo.

But unions

That has nothing to do with what we were chatting about and you know it. If you can't have a sensible conversation mate, then I'll leave the room. I asked you, do you use self checkout/service, anywhere, if you do then there is the problem now facing the railways. Buses use cards/passes, I see very few people at the ticket office in stations these days.

 

[Sucky]

That has nothing to do with what we were chatting about and you know it. If you can't have a sensible conversation mate, then I'll leave the room. I asked you, do you use self checkout/service, anywhere, if you do then there is the problem now facing the railways. Buses use cards/passes, I see very few people at the ticket office in stations these days.

I am having a sensible conversation just not the same one you are

 

[brb]

Thats my beef bro not fuking androids or computers

but this is the railways beef....the stuff about the Tories is peoples opinion, that I don't disagee with. It's a weapon of choice to fight the argument that railways shouldn't go self service the same as every other business.