Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Correct me when I go wrong please.

We are about 2 years from an election.

Some of the nicer promises today are labelled for 2024/5

When we have an election...all parties will put up a new manifesto for that election based on the situation that exist at that point.

All these promises of what they are going to do in a couple of years, when things are straighter...are meaningless
 
This lot have had twelve years, during which they gave us years of unnecessary austerity, took us out of the biggest free trade bloc on the planet, completely crashed the economy just a few weeks ago, and are now about to return us to another period of austerity as a consequence. You could at least give the other lot a chance to see if they can do any better before denouncing them as clowns too

That'd be the other lot that wanted a harder lockdown and more generous furlough
 
Love the way you're quoting the Daily Mail at me :emoticon-0102-bigsm

To be frank, I can't reconcile the two. They contradict each other. But if I had to choose, I'd go with the global financial index.

The thing about Paris overtaking London was reported in all the news outlets. I thought you might have more faith in the Mail than the Guardian. Seems the stats you posted are out of date.
 
The thing about Paris overtaking London was reported in all the news outlets. I thought you might have more faith in the Mail than the Guardian. Seems the stats you posted are out of date.
I'd trust Neil over your stuff, no disrespect

Sorry to act all adult and get in between you two bickering like children…..but doesn’t one ranking refer to The Stock Market value (Paris ahead), and the other refer to the ranking of financial centres,
that deal in more than just stocks (London ahead)

Might be wrong though
 
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It wasn't technically a budget it was the Autumn statement & the response is always done by the shadow chancellor
Yeah just looked it up.
The thing about Paris overtaking London was reported in all the news outlets. I thought you might have more faith in the Mail than the Guardian. Seems the stats you posted are out of date.
here’s the trend, from exactly the same source as Goldie’s chart, the Global Financial Centres Index*
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* this kind of stuff only makes sense if the criteria are explicit. The criteria used by GFCI are below. They are pretty subjective, especially the questionnaire stuff, and the purpose of GFCI is to promote financial centres. The article showing Paris overtaking London is based on a hard assessment of the value of stocks traded in both markets.
  • Instrumental Factors: objective evidence of competitiveness was sought from a wide variety of comparable sources. Click here for details. For example, evidence about the telecommunications infrastructure competitiveness of a financial centre is drawn from the ICT Development Index (supplied by the United Nations), the Networked Readiness Index (supplied by the World Economic Forum), the Telecommunication Infrastructure Index (by the United Nations) and the Web Index (supplied by the World Wide Web Foundation). Evidence about a business-friendly regulatory environment is drawn from the Ease of Doing Business Index (supplied by the World Bank), the Government Effectiveness rating (supplied by the World Bank) and the Corruption Perceptions Index (supplied by Transparency International) amongst others. A total of 151 instrumental factors are used in GFCI 32 (of which 55 were updated since GFCI 31 and 6 were new to the GFCI). Not all financial centres are represented in all the external sources, and the statistical model takes account of these gaps.
  • Financial Centre Assessments: by means of an online questionnaire, running continuously since 2007. We used 66,121 financial centre assessments drawn from 12,983 responses in GFCI 32.
 
Yeah just looked it up.

here’s the trend, from exactly the same source as Goldie’s chart, the Global Financial Centres Index*
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* this kind of stuff only makes sense if the criteria are explicit. The criteria used by GFCI are below. They are pretty subjective, especially the questionnaire stuff, and the purpose of GFCI is to promote financial centres. The article showing Paris overtaking London is based on a hard assessment of the value of stocks traded in both markets.
  • Instrumental Factors: objective evidence of competitiveness was sought from a wide variety of comparable sources. Click here for details. For example, evidence about the telecommunications infrastructure competitiveness of a financial centre is drawn from the ICT Development Index (supplied by the United Nations), the Networked Readiness Index (supplied by the World Economic Forum), the Telecommunication Infrastructure Index (by the United Nations) and the Web Index (supplied by the World Wide Web Foundation). Evidence about a business-friendly regulatory environment is drawn from the Ease of Doing Business Index (supplied by the World Bank), the Government Effectiveness rating (supplied by the World Bank) and the Corruption Perceptions Index (supplied by Transparency International) amongst others. A total of 151 instrumental factors are used in GFCI 32 (of which 55 were updated since GFCI 31 and 6 were new to the GFCI). Not all financial centres are represented in all the external sources, and the statistical model takes account of these gaps.
  • Financial Centre Assessments: by means of an online questionnaire, running continuously since 2007. We used 66,121 financial centre assessments drawn from 12,983 responses in GFCI 32.

Seems my post above holds some truth then…….like comparing oranges to apples
 
On another subject, and recognising that Ukraine is not whiter than white, the evidence that is coming out about Russian torture chambers in utterly appalling. Russia is a pariah state under Putin. It makes a mockery of the UN that it has a permanent seat on the Security Council.
 
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On another subject, and recognising that Ukraine is not whiter than white, the evidence that is coming out about Russian torture chambers in utterly appalling. Russia is a pariah state under Putin. It makes a mockery of the UN that it has a permanent seat on the Security Council.

Absolutely agree and sadly shows that certain individuals will gladly act in the most appalling and degrading way to other human beings if given free reign to do such a thing.
You only have to look at the behaviour at Abu Ghraib..or at Auschwitz…or at the killing fields in Cambodia….or on the streets of Kigali.

There is evil in everyone
 
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Absolutely agree and sadly shows that certain individuals will gladly act in the most appalling and degrading way to other human beings if given free reign to do such a thing.
You only have to look at the behaviour at Abu Ghraib..or at Auschwitz…or at the killing fields in Cambodia….or on the streets of Kigali.

There is evil in everyone

I agree, those are the sorts of base level we are looking at here.
 
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I agree, those are the sorts of base level we are looking at here.

The thing is, we as human beings will never evolve to purge evil from our inner self and will go on and on repeating the same behaviours…even though we inherently know those behaviours are immoral.

You only have to look at the appalling treatment of so called “collaborators” in Kherson, that is strikingly similar to the way that some people were treated in liberated Paris at the end of WW2.

We will never learn
 
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