The new PM.

[AshtonRed]

I agree, but at the same time, that's their chosen path.. harsh but reality.......(I'm not saying they shouldn't have a decent wage btw)...maybe if the lazy side of society got off their arse and contributed to the system, the problem would be less of an issue..

The point is we don’t have enough of them, hospitals can’t release patients into care homes because care homes can’t get staff, this in turn tied up hospital beds. The population is getting older, the situation is only going to get worse.

Society needs all sorts, not just entrepreneurs, and unless we value (pay) people appropriately society doesn’t function properly. I hoped one good thing that may have come out of COVID, (remember we clapped the frontline workers) would have been the realisation of how reliant we are on them. What short memories we have. Just to say “it’s their chosen path” is actually very selfish.

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

The point is we don’t have enough of them, hospitals can’t release patients into care homes because care homes can’t get staff, this in turn tied up hospital beds. The population is getting older, the situation is only going to get worse.

Society needs all sorts, not just entrepreneurs, and unless we value (pay) people appropriately society doesn’t function properly. I hoped one good thing that may have come out of COVID, (remember we clapped the frontline workers) would have been how reliant we are on them. What short memories we have. Just to say “it’s their chosen path” is actually very selfish.

I’ve an idea - why don’t we let trained health professionals from the EU live and work in our country to plug the shortfall?
Whilst we are at it, why not welcome Delivery Drivers and other semi-skilled workers - even fruit/veg pickers to fill the gaps in other industrial sectors?

…. oh - wasn’t that the case once?

 

[AshtonRed]

I’ve an idea - why don’t we let trained health professionals from the EU live and work in our country to plug the shortfall?
Whilst we are at it, why not welcome Delivery Drivers and other semi-skilled workers to fill the gaps in other industrial sectors?

…. oh - wasn’t that the case once?

Apparently there isn’t enough room to allow foreigners in, think of all the extra services that’ll be needed. Still I suppose once we’ve finished with them we can always send them to Rhwanda.

surely a better way is to value our frontline workers more, and pay them a decent salary. Even Boris was advocating a high wage economy, not a race to the bottom.

 

[Red Robin]

I don't think this site is very right winged at all........It's more to do with, those that want to get on in life should'nt be penilised for trying..
I have so much respect for those that had nothing, to getting off their arse and making a go of it....And if they become billionaires achieving their goal...brilliant............don't see why they should feel guilty for that..
And yes, I'm also in favour of helping people that are unable to help themselves.........as for those expecting everything on a plate and prefer to let the Country provide, but do nothing in return........I have no time for whatsoever..........

Absolutely on the button with this post.

 

[AshtonRed]

Absolutely on the button with this post.

Of course you’d agree, you’re one of them

 

[Red Robin]

He wasn’t able to bring anything to the table during the pandemic he had no power, they say opposition leader is the hardest job in politics, he was in a no win situation, he backed the government for the sake of the country, whilst pointing out how he’d have done things differently (being in opposition) , which made him look like he was duplicitous or “in hindsight “ .

You say the tories are unpopular because of everything that’s gone on as though it’s minor or “normal “. It isn’t. Their leader was given a fixed penalty notice while in power, everyone knows he plays fast with the truth, and he’s at present being investigated for possible lying to the house. His replacement bombed the economy in less than 6 weeks. Their answer it seems is a return of the lying cheating one. despite being looked into for lying to the house. You really couldn’t make it up.

innocent until proven guilty

 

[AshtonRed]

You've said it.

It's well past time for the moaners of either political persuasion to start looking after themselves rather than waiting for a particular shade of government to do it for them.

The whole issue is made worse by incompetent politicians sparring with each other with aspirations for themselves rather than the populace they serve. There are a few noteworthy MP's elected to Parliament who are true servants of their electorate, but they're swamped by the self interest of their ambitious leaders.

For those of us plebs out here who are able, and not for one minute am I denying there plenty out there who aren't, just get on with it. If you're waiting for a political revolution to solve personal and life issues, dream on.

Nothing wrong with discussing it and all the spinoff subjects it generates, but whilst many are wringing their hands about it, others are getting on with it and good luck to them.

And I don't comment on these threads..........

I wish you would comment I’d like to know your opinion

 

[AshtonRed]

innocent until proven guilty

If it’s Boris you’re referring to, the fixed penalty notice is already been given, so guilty on that score. He’s lied in the past, that’s a known, anyone who follows politics and watches parliament will know he is economical with the truth, many of his own MP’s know he’s deceitful and unreliable, that’s why they got rid of him.

it’s also a fact he’s being looked into for allegedly misleading the house, in terms of him making a come back as PM is it really appropriate at this time, whilst he’s being looked into, no. If he had any decency he wouldn’t even try as the government can’t afford those kind of distractions, now more than ever.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Apparently there isn’t enough room to allow foreigners in, think of all the extra services that’ll be needed. Still I suppose once we’ve finished with them we can always send them to Rhwanda.

surely a better way is to value our frontline workers more, and pay them a decent salary. Even Boris was advocating a high wage economy, not a race to the bottom.

Nothing to do with our borders allowing so many immigrants over, creating an over populated society.. to cope with the resources we had in place? Catch 22 imo..
more people = more resources required.

 

[AshtonRed]

Nothing to do with our borders allowing so many immigrants over, creating an over populated society.. to cope with the resources we had in place? Catch 22 imo..
more people = more resources required.

So is there room, or not?, if there isn’t how can we allow foreign semi skilled workers in?

 

[Red Robin]

Nothing to do with our borders allowing so many immigrants over, creating an over populated society.. to cope with the resources we had in place? Catch 22 imo..
more people = more resources required.

Not to mention 5 million a day costing the taxpayers us working people paying for these to be kept here. So wrong.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

So is there room, or not?, if there isn’t how can we allow foreign semi skilled workers in?

If we have space and the resources and the jobs that are required for the good of the Country and they have the skills to do them and we’ve done everything possible to ensure the people of this nation the opportunity of such vacancies.. then yes..

 

[AshtonRed]

If we have space and the resources and the jobs that are required for the good of the Country and they have the skills to do them and we’ve done everything possible to ensure the people of this nation the opportunity of such vacancies.. then yes..

I’ve no objection to allowing overseas applicants for jobs in the scenario you paint, but it shouldn’t be limited to EU nationals, and as long as it doesn’t lower the salaries on offer.

 

[RedorDead]

We had the Europeans here working in care homes and driving lorries etc. They got furloughed or by choice went back to their own countries during the the pandemic. Then when tried coming back under Brexit rules was not allowed.
So we started with delivery driver shortage, led to having to pay the Brits higher as they needed more than they were getting on benefits and to be enticed away from other companies. Led to cost rising to where we are now.
Countries ****ed.

 

[AshtonRed]

We had the Europeans here working in care homes and driving lorries etc. They got furloughed or by choice went back to their own countries during the the pandemic. Then when tried coming back under Brexit rules was not allowed.
So we started with delivery driver shortage, led to having to pay the Brits higher as they needed more than they were getting on benefits and to be enticed away from other companies. Led to cost rising to where we are now.
Countries ****ed.

Wages were kept low by using cheap foreign labour previously, care workers and lorry drivers deserve decent wages, they were among the frontline workers we all clapped during COVID, why shouldn’t they be able to earn decent money, do you have any idea how many hours lorry drivers work?

I used to be a transport manager in my previous life so I know, 15 hr days are not uncommon.

 

[RedorDead]

Wages were kept low by using cheap foreign labour previously, care workers and lorry drivers deserve decent wages, they were among the frontline workers we all clapped during COVID, why shouldn’t they be able to earn decent money, do you have any idea how many hours lorry drivers work?

I used to be a transport manager in my previous life so I know, 15 hr days are not uncommon.

Is now, tachometer laws massively changed. We seem to struggle to keep them.

 

[AshtonRed]

Is now, tachometer laws massively changed. We seem to struggle to keep them.

Can still be done, as long as breaks taken correctly and spread over the week, I don’t know the exact details anymore but stepson is a class 1 driver still.

 

[Reliant Robin TC2]

Nothing to do with our borders allowing so many immigrants over, creating an over populated society.. to cope with the resources we had in place? Catch 22 imo..
more people = more resources required.

One of the things I am intrigued about, and never seems to be mentioned in relation to illegal immigration, is the benefit system of each country those people have gone through to get to us.

The UK has, throughout history, taken in the persecuted and those willing to work and be incorporated into our way of life.

But the present situation seems to be different in that there is this perception that a significant proportion of illegal immigrants are here purely for the benefits we dish out.

Is that actually the case? Whilst there are obviously genuine cases, are we really considered an easy touch and that is fuelling the increase in numbers coming here?

I honestly don’t know but would genuinely like to know the facts!!

 

[Red Robin]

One of the things I am intrigued about, and never seems to be mentioned in relation to illegal immigration, is the benefit system of each country those people have gone through to get to us.

The UK has, throughout history, taken in the persecuted and those willing to work and be incorporated into our way of life.

But the present situation seems to be different in that there is this perception that a significant proportion of illegal immigrants are here purely for the benefits we dish out.

Is that actually the case? Whilst there are obviously genuine cases, are we really considered an easy touch and that is fuelling the increase in numbers coming here?

I honestly don’t know but would genuinely like to know the facts!!

Why do they tramp across countrys and water to get here -simple the land of milk and honey at us the taxpayers expense.

How any government is allowed to give our taxes to these scroungers that have given nothing to this country is absolutely wrong.

 

[wings-of-a-crow]

yes its all the foreigners fault innit, coming over here with there smelly food and dressing strange, and stealing all are our jobs, not to mention living 50 to a room, now the ones that are nurses,doctors, engineers,solicitors, scientists, etc etc, well there alllright cos there different aint they, there more like us only a bit browner, why some of them even like beer...