Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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They jumped straight in delivering the "highest tax cuts for 50 years" despite warnings from the former chancellor and many experts. The OBR offered to provide a report for the mini budget analysing the impact but this was refused by the chancellor. The chancellor also sacked the permanent treasury secretary on his first day who brought with him a wealth of experience - something else that was highly criticised before the budget.

The chancellor didn't speak to the key markets or the bank of England about his plans and thereby undermined the key pillars of the economy.

His mini budget then saw the pound crash which led to sales of government bonds, meaning that the prices dropped dramatically and everyone's pensions were at risk. The bank of England then had to step in and offer to buy bonds to calm the markets, but this comes at a cost. It's basically quantitative easing and will result in increased interest rates over time. So now the government has gambled everything, either the economy recovers immediately or we'll start to see those interest rates rise which will send growth backwards and see us into a far greater crisis than before.

There's nothing reassuring about this, and I'm not sure you can argue that it's not "completely clueless". The chancellor and pm haven't even understood the key market drivers and key institutions involved in our economy. Their plan was by any measure radical, and instead of seek expert opinions, they actively ignored them.

As for the anti-conservative sentiment, a lot of the criticism I've seen has come from Tories themselves.[/QUOTE]


Of course it has.

In the days when their MP's elected the Party Leader, (sometimes the sitting PM), the majority of them would never have elected the eccentric Miss Truss.
Or perhaps she would not have entered the lists with the policies she did.

But the Party Members from 'The Shires' must have thought that their dreams had been fulfilled with her Ultra-Right attempt at economics.
The MP's on the other hand, particularly those in Northern Seats only recently gained from Labour, must have been scouring the job vacancy columns.

If The Press is to be believed, (and that is always a doubt), Tory MP's in droves, have been threatening to vote against The Government's Budget bill, when it comes before The House.
As this is only one part of the lunacy, they still might.

It's ironic that the Right-Wing Tories from 'The Shires' might be ones that have made sure that Sir Kier heads the next Government. :emoticon-0100-smile
 
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They jumped straight in delivering the "highest tax cuts for 50 years" despite warnings from the former chancellor and many experts. The OBR offered to provide a report for the mini budget analysing the impact but this was refused by the chancellor. The chancellor also sacked the permanent treasury secretary on his first day who brought with him a wealth of experience - something else that was highly criticised before the budget.

The chancellor didn't speak to the key markets or the bank of England about his plans and thereby undermined the key pillars of the economy.

His mini budget then saw the pound crash which led to sales of government bonds, meaning that the prices dropped dramatically and everyone's pensions were at risk. The bank of England then had to step in and offer to buy bonds to calm the markets, but this comes at a cost. It's basically quantitative easing and will result in increased interest rates over time. So now the government has gambled everything, either the economy recovers immediately or we'll start to see those interest rates rise which will send growth backwards and see us into a far greater crisis than before.

There's nothing reassuring about this, and I'm not sure you can argue that it's not "completely clueless". The chancellor and pm haven't even understood the key market drivers and key institutions involved in our economy. Their plan was by any measure radical, and instead of seek expert opinions, they actively ignored them.

As for the anti-conservative sentiment, a lot of the criticism I've seen has come from Tories themselves.[/QUOTE][/

Of course it has.

In the days when their MP's elected the Party Leader, (sometimes the sitting PM), the majority of them would never have elected the eccentric Miss Truss.
Or perhaps she would not have entered the lists with the policies she did.

But the Party Members from 'The Shires' must have thought that their dreams had been fulfilled with her Ultra-Right attempt at economics.
The MP's on the other hand, particularly those in Northern Seats only recently gained from Labour, must have been scouring the job vacancy columns.

If The Press is to be believed, (and that is always a doubt), Tory MP's in droves, have been threatening to vote against The Government's Budget bill, when it comes before The House.
As this is only one part of the lunacy, they still might.

It's ironic that the Right-Wing Tories from 'The Shires' might be ones that have made sure that Sir Kier heads the next Government. :emoticon-0100-smile
 
Sometimes you find social media is a good thing, now you don’t have to believe the
s hite MPs tell you because there are far brainier people in normal life let them know they are talking s hit.
Also honestly does anyone on here think these people in their positions are intelligent enough to run a country ( yes, a country ) they couldn’t run the smallest business if you gave it to them, that’s MPs from any party, all gormless bastards.
 
If it was me running it, every policy decision would be accompanied by the reasoning, what other options were considered, and who was involved in the process. Transparency and accountability would stop most of the social media hysterics dead. Governments could avoid a huge amount of unnecessary flak by giving people as much information as they can about how they come to decisions.

You're absolutely right that it would help calm the situation, it would also build trust in politics and educate the public all at the same time.

It would be an entirely different conversation if they could put economic experts out there to explain how the decisions help the economy (with financial models), studies they've used or real life examples in other countries.

The fact that they wouldn't even allow the OBR give them a forecast though, suggests that little thought went into it beyond ideology.
 
A man is driving along the road when he realises that he's lost, so he stops to ask a passer by.
"Excuse me, could you help me please? I have a meeting at 2pm, I'm running 30 mins late and I have no idea where I am."
"Of course" said the stranger. "You are in a car, on the A43 heading north, approximately 7miles and 400 yards from the city centre, 40º longitude and 58º latitude."
"You work for the government, don't you?" asked the driver.
"Yes. How did you guess?"
"Quite simple: everything that you just said is technically correct, but practically useless. I'm still lost, I'm still going to be late, and I have no idea what to do with your information."
"You are a politician, aren't you?" asks the man on the street.
"Yes. How did you guess?" replies the driver.
"Quite simple. You have no idea where you're going, you've made a promise that you can't keep and you expect someone else to solve your problem. In fact, you are in exactly the same situation that you were before you stopped to ask me, yet somehow it's now my fault!"
 
I'm sick of hearing 'we're listening to people and changing our policies if they moan' ...

... run the f**CK*Ng country ffs, this is the tail wagging the dog

It does seem the Conservative party members have chosen the wrong dynamic duo, the MPs would rather have had Penny Mordant as PM and Sunak as chancellor
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So they should have pressed on with the cut to the 45p rate then?

What they should do is listen to people before they make policies, not after. The Tory MP's immediately and openly said they were against it, how hard is it to listen to them before making unpopular decisions.

And if they get it wrong they should take it on the chin, not lay the blame on the public by insinuating they've moaned about a perfectly good policy that has now had to be dropped.

They're supposed to lead, not follow voxpops.
 
The Yanks manipulated the market. It was always going to be a short term gain while other currencies tanked against it. The rate will keep going up, now.

Bankers in this country will have shorted it massively as well and will get a nice fat reward in the shape of an uncapped bonus at the end of it all.