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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. sb_73

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    Fascist/totalitarian playbook 101.
    Identify your tribe ‘God, family, country’
    Define your tribe as pure
    Describe your tribe as under attack
    List your enemies
    List your enemies again
    Explain how your enemies are responsible for all the ills of the tribe, they are to blame for everything
    Repeat until the fear, anger and paranoia of the gullible reach fever pitch
    Maintain at this constant level of hysteria. If some of your enemies are ‘defeated’ or disappear, find new enemies to blame.

    The only surprise on this little video is that she stopped at ‘financial speculators’ and didn’t say Soros, which is obviously thanks to Orban now code for Jews. But of course it’s not actually necessary to join the dots.

    Interesting how the people who tweet this stuff, often with their little Union Jack and/or cross of St George flags/logos, rarely explicitly rejoice at the rise of these extremists, they just kind of smirk with an ‘I told you so’ overtone to have a poke at their liberal enemies, even though they are doubtless hunched over their laptops ****ing themselves into oblivion over Ms Meloni whilst singing blood and country marching songs.

    Any coalition including uber egotists Berlusconi and Salvini is unlikely to last long, particularly if these Neanderthal misogynists have to play second fiddle to a woman, but this could turn difficult if FORZA and Lega MPs defect to the Brothers, who then have a go at the constitution.

    Just to be clear, this result, the similar one in Sweden, Trump, Poland, Johnson/Truss/Brexit, Orban etc are primarily down to the complete complacency and sense of entitlement of the old style liberal democrats typified by Blair, Obama, Cameron, allowing all sorts of venal chancers to fill the vacuum they have created.
     
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  2. Goldhawk-Road

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    Not only no money, but big debts from the worldwide pandemic and lockdown, the war in Europe and Russia's energy cut off, and, yes, a Tory gamble that didn't pay off, if that happens.
     
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  3. Stroller

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    Where on earth did you get that figure from? It needn't cost anything if it's just a question of not renewing franchises.
     
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    Except, really it was about God, country and family, values that have been eroded in the last 50 years. Financial speculators don't have to be Jewish and there are many more around than just Soros.

    I agree it was aimed at the liberal elite, in particular the EU that, although not responsible for the diaspora from the Third World, has watched immigrants flock into Italy in unlimited numbers and done next to nothing.

    This has to be a wake up call, before popularism becomes a fanatical side of nationalism.
     
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    Some of the leases go on for eight or ten years. And then there's the rolling stock
     
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    Agreed.

    But:

    1 None of these applied during almost 10 years of dogma driven austerity.
    2 Now that they do apply, surely a time for financial prudence instead of borrowing and splurging money at tax cuts instead of providing financial support for those worst affected.
     
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  9. Star of David Bardsley

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    This assumes their goal is to actually improve the country in some way.
     
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    You're sounding like Rishi Sunak now, but you may be right. Until they find an economist that can predict the future, we just have to wait with bated breath.
     
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    She won't have a supporter in me if she mutates to anything resembling fascism. We'll have to see whether she's Bride of Mussolini or Trump-lite
     
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    There are plenty of economists who think that these measures are what is required, whilst acknowledging that they're high risk.

    I have no idea whether they're right or you are.

    What do you think would be an effective alternative and who could deliver it?
     
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    ****ting in their hands and clapping would currently represent a better alternative. Which actual economists are backing this **** rather than Spectator columnists?
     
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    I’ve answered this question from you already, at tedious length, see post #79033 on this thread. You even ‘liked’ the response.

    Had a check up recently? :emoticon-0100-smile

    I can’t find the numbers but I have read that only a tiny fraction of economists think the Truss/Kwarteng will deliver growth. You hear both sides of the argument because the BBC in particular tries to be ‘balanced’. In fact this can be misleading, as if one side of an argument has overwhelming support from ‘experts’ (and I won’t stand up for economists here….) that should be said as well as giving equal voice to the minority view. It’s like getting an opinion from 10 doctors, 9 say you have meningitis and the other one says it’s just a headache. Do you give both views equal credence?

    We are now in the scenario where are monetary policy, which is supposed to be about controlling inflation, will be dictated by market movements. Just like the seventies.
     
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    Don't know how true it is but there's reports of 'letters of no confidence' already being sent to the 1922 committee!
    They really are doing a fine job of ****ing up the country!
     
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    That would be hilarious, I mean it would be not respecting their own vote.
     
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    What an absolute twat that bloke is! Just spouts complete and utter nonsense
     
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    That’s our next Prime Minister you’re talking about.
     
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  20. rangercol

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    Yes you have, but as you keep banging on about it at tedious length, I thought I'd ask again. :emoticon-0100-smile

    Maybe you're wrong.

    Has been known. :biggrin:
     
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