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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Doc, Sep 9, 2022.

  1. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    Weekend is screwed for obvious reasons, sad day yesterday when it happened but a little peed off about the footy being binned.

    This week its worth having a look at the performances from some of our loan players. Dan James came on as a second half sub on his debut. Cresswell after a flying start for the Wall came back down to earth with a bump and has spent time on the bench, but was brought on at the weekend and scored yet again and got an assist. Shackelton has been doing well for the Wall too playing in the middle since he arrived but went to RWB last weekend and played the full 90. Roberts has been non stop injured so QPR not seeing him at his best yet. Lewis Bate has spent time on the bench and being introduced to league football slowly, he started at the weekend in a win and was replaced on 80 mins. Poveda has started his first game for Blackpool and got a MOM performance. Costa played the full 90 in the desert and Jack Jenkins scored on his debut for Salford. McKinstry is doing bench duties at Motherwell.

    Last week we saw a post showing all the top spending clubs in the Premier League. Elland posted a list of all 20 clubs in the league and shows the net spend. Net spend means the difference between spend and sales which may surprise some, but in summary Newcastle are top of the net spend league but from 17th to 20th clubs who made a profit on sales with Brighton doing best. Leicester profited as not spent much but the foxes owners businesses have been killed in the pandemic as it revolves around airlines in SE Asia. Leicester cannot even afford to sack Rodgers, not that he deserves it because the Leicester model is now broken because no players coming in to replace players sold

    17/ Leeds Utd £1.75m, yes less than £2m

    18/ Man City made a profit of £53m

    19/ Leicester made a profit of £57m

    20/ Brighton made a profit of £58m

    Ristac mentioned something relevant after Elland posted a version of the above net spend list. He said it should be worth looking at our spend over a 3 year period to see if it had been worth the millions spent. We can say that we have spent circa £250m and the meagre £50m spent last summer was at the heart of last seasons issues. If we survive this season maybe we could say an average of £83m per season is actually brilliant value and money well spent? However if we go down it looks like £250m flushed down the bog.

    So all the bollox talked about following the Leicester model has shown that we spent nothing this summer and all the new players were paid for out of money received for Raphinha and Phillips. My Question is this 1/ if Phillips and Raphinha our 2 best players wanted to stay, how would the club have performed in the transfer market this summer, knowing the team needed new blood? And 2/ its now obvious that the club would have had to find £35m for CDK which means Radz 49ers putting cash in. There is obviously no chance of Cody Gakpo coming to Leeds because his value is already rocketing out of our league with 8 goals and 6 assists from only 10 games.

    The club made a £25m profit in the latest accounts. “It included £21.3m in waived shareholder loans, most likely owed to Andrea Radrizzani, all of which were repayable in May 2021.
    “Adding that amount to the balance sheet significantly improved the bottom line. Strictly speaking, Leeds made £4.6m overall on a total turnover of £171m. It was a massive step forward from the losses they were used to posting in the Championship but still a small gain in the grand scheme of Premier League expenditure.”

    26 players out of the door this summer with only a couple expected back, but what about Alfie? Hes still here and played as an overage player for the 21s, even scoring in the last match, but he needs to be gone somewhere because his career is floundering. Still got a couple of years on his contract but should have been sold. He has been one of the success's out on loan but only in L1 level but its pointless keeping him as he has no chance of playing for the club now

    New headlines now coming out that we have done a deal for a LB? “Leeds United reached an agreement this summer with Serie A club Empoli to sign their left-back Fabiano Parisi, according to his agent.” This only confirms we couldn't afford to do it this summer so had Marsch say he was happy with Struijk and Firpo, then hope we could get through to January?

    BHA tied Potter to a contract worth £2m pa and had him until 2026. Chelsea need to pay Tuchel £13m in compensation as he was on £7m pa. You can see why Potter could be attracted to changing jobs
     
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  2. Doc

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  3. Mr Wolves-White

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    I'll lay this out first... I'm a Republican and I didn't like the Royals.

    The suspension of Grassroots Football has buggered up my weekend. I work for a company that hire out school facilities for community groups and sports teams and I was meant to be working a kids football game on Sunday. I really think suspending kids football is going to far.
     
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  4. leeds down south

    leeds down south Well-Known Member

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    It's equality, if the big guys don't get to play then neither do the little ones.
     
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  5. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but they'll miss out on the social interaction, exercise and team building skills that come about with playing and Sunday. They've already missed 2 years of that due to COVID.

    It's not fair on them.
     
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  6. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    On the spending thing. Newcastle went big since their takeover. They needed to as they were a bottom four or five outfit. Substantial improvement in the pl cannot be achieved on a shoestring. Just can’t. If we survive this season I hope and pray Radz will get an offer he can’t refuse to move on. He’s a good championship owner and that’s all. And please don’t trot out that old line that he’s better than cellino Bates etc. of course he is but doesn’t mean he’s up to taking club forward. And despite what some might think, I’ve nothing against him, he’s just not what we need at this point in our develipment
     
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  7. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    He has taken the club forward, but our first season back gave him a false sense of what was achievable, last season we took a step backward, it just depends on who you want to point the finger at.

    We blew the budget on Firpo and James, one has been loaned out after being played in the wrong position, the other has been one up from useless when not injured. Is it Bielsas fault, Ortas fault or Radz fault for agreeing to give Bielsa too much of a say.

    After the net zero spend this season, it all points to Radz trying to get us a secure footing before selling us, I then question the ground expansion plans and fear he is overstaying his welcome
     
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  8. Aski

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    This is just a follow up to my reply to Ristac on the net transfer spend issue mentioned in yesterdays Breakfast debate, and I wondered how many times over a ten year period clubs had broken even (net spend of less than £5m) or had a surplus income in respect to transfer fees. Obviously some clubs have spent more time outside of the EPL than others, or not had the benefit of the money clubs get when relegated from the EPL (the word of which I can't remember ;) ), but it was too convoluted to work out for when clubs were only in the EPL, plus we would have been in the 1 section, which wouldn't portray an accurate picture either

    0 - Scum
    1 - Arsenal, Man City
    2 - Palace, West Ham,
    3 - Newcastle, Everton
    4 - Spurs, Liverpool, Bournemouth, Fulham
    5 - Southampton, Leicester, Wolves, Villa, Brighton, Chelsea
    7 - Leeds (Under Radz 3 out of 5 seasons (1 out of 3 in EPL) , 4 out of 5 under previous ownership), Notts Forest

    The big surprises for me were the clubs in the 2 and 3 sections, I expected them to be in sections 4 or 5, and how often Chelsea balanced their transfer spending compared to sales, again I would have expected them to be similar to City
     
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  9. Marcos Barber

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    Erm, he’s not a Championship owner though is he? Despite the <laugh> sorry, despite the <laugh><laugh>, I am so sorry, give me a minute……

    Despite your <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh> I mean “the experts” opinion, he blagged it to the Prem and is in his third season of being an EPL owner isn’t he?
     
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  10. Jammy 07

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    Brilliant post mate.

    I'm taking it Jan is back from doing the horsey stuff so you're not under as much testicle pressure as before ?

    :emoticon-0131-angel:emoticon-0131-angel:emoticon-0131-angel
     
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  11. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    So what you're saying is that you can't be a PL owner unless you have several billion in your back pocket? I would qualify that to say to be a successful owner you need a few billion but that doesn't mean that this is a situation I'm happy with.
     
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  12. wakeybreakyheart

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    Morning all from a toasty Zakynthos. Lots of positives to football being postponed.
    1/Llorente will not be playing Monday.
    2/Cooper will have more time to get fitter.
    3/see 1
    4/see 2
    5/we will not have to endure that useless prat on var.
    6/see 1.
    7/Firpo will be fitter
    8/Ayling will be fitter
    9/see 1
    10/barn door bamford will be fitter but only he stays away from the physical stuff.
     
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  13. Eireleeds1

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    I’ll rephrase so. He’s currently a poor epl owner
     
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  14. oldschool

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    You missed the most important point.......bored ;)
     
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  15. FORZA LEEDS

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    Rodrigo will be nearer to getting back to fitness without missing a game.
     
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  16. wakeybreakyheart

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    Bored? You must be joking not here on zante. In the plus side thousands of women on holiday will not have to endure the sight of their man in a body fit replica shirt. Then not having to sit in a bar pretending they are happy watching the games.
    I suppose desperate souls will watch any game from another league to get their fix.
    Having the world cup in Qatar at that point in the season was always going to be a feck up anyway.
    God bless the Queen and love live jug lugs.
     
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  17. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Yes another plus from the season that just keeps giving. See 1.
     
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    Hopefully king Leonidas of Zante doesn't croak it while you are there and everything shuts down <whistle>.........bar closed meester<yikes>
     
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    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    I saw 7 and thought you said Firpo will be better

    You got my hopes up Wakey.
     
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  20. Marcos Barber

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    You mean you want someone filthy rich to buy us? I thought you hated the money side of football?

    Don’t you think there is something a bit Robin Hood about our skint chancer using clueless Orta to build a team mixing it with teams in the PL for 3 consecutive years after waiting so long for the chance?
     
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