Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

[Pure River Slut]

I think all kids should be excepted.

To be honest I don't think all should entirely but should take more/some. Simply because a case like this requires resources we can’t provide. Ironically there are less resources available in health, care, even education since we stopped many migrant workers. Of course we should take our fair share. This kid will now be roughly 20. So an adult. Still needs I’m sure. It’s very complicated all of it. Simple gimmicks solve nowt.

 

[Pure River Slut]

That’s fair enough you are entitled to your opinion, I reckon if it was boats landing in their country it would be full of women and children not young British lads.

Often economic travellers from poverty come to send money home. A lot of Afghans are doing this because poverty there is acute. Starvation level. Aye it’s because of sanctions because of the Taliban but it’s not the fault of the families. I get my hair barbered by an Afghan young man who sends all spare money home. Never goes out, wears cheap clothes.

 

[vic9]

Surely ANY deterrent’s results can only be judged when it is actually enforced ,and then analyse the figures

 

[Smug in Boots]

Surely ANY deterrent’s results can only be judged when it is actually enforced ,and then analyse the figures

Patel threatened the Royal Navy.

Johnson threatened Rwanda.

Not one immigrant has been stopped, shipped off to Africa, sent home or turned back to France ...

... meanwhile the numbers of boats continues to increase

As far as failures go this is truly world class.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Surely ANY deterrent’s results can only be judged when it is actually enforced ,and then analyse the figures

They increased sentencing on possession of guns. Now kids get paid to hide them under their beds and they use machetes. Deterrents rarely work.

 

[vic9]

Patel threatened the Royal Navy.

Johnson threatened Rwanda.

Not one immigrant has been stopped, shipped off to Africa, sent home or turned back to France ...

... meanwhile the numbers of boats continues to increase

As far as failures go this is truly world class.

Get what you are saying marra, but this deterrent has yet to be tested

 

[vic9]

They increased sentencing on possession of guns. Now kids get paid to hide them under their beds and they use machetes. Deterrents rarely work.

So you don’t believe in deterrents and punishment for illegal acts?

 

[DH4]

Patel threatened the Royal Navy.

Johnson threatened Rwanda.

Not one immigrant has been stopped, shipped off to Africa, sent home or turned back to France ...

... meanwhile the numbers of boats continues to increase

As far as failures go this is truly world class.

Levelling up on stupidity

 

[Smug in Boots]

Get what you are saying marra, but this deterrent has yet to be tested

It just highlights the shallow nature of this PM, his ineptitude and his government's habit of making grandiose statements without any logic. Why give Rwanda huge amounts of money, and book a plane at our expense, without having established the legality of the process. Making bold empty statements is no deterrent at all.

 

[Pure River Slut]

So you don’t believe in deterrents and punishment for illegal acts?

I believe there have to be consequences but it’s belief that somethings wrong that stops offending. Moral stuff. Likelihood of getting caught. Travelling for a better life is unlikely to be seen as harming anyone because it doesn’t and we haven’t got enough public resources to make getting caught more likely cos they’ve cut everything.

 

[Pure River Slut]

I see Truss is refusing to windfall tax energy companies. Pretty much congratulating them for their profits. The Tories are desperately out of touch with real life for many people. Even Sunak is only talking about helping the poorest. As a single parent I’m already thinking Christmas will be a write off this year and maybe worse.

 

[rooch 3]

I believe there have to be consequences but it’s belief that somethings wrong that stops offending. Moral stuff. Likelihood of getting caught. Travelling for a better life is unlikely to be seen as harming anyone because it doesn’t and we haven’t got enough public resources to make getting caught more likely cos they’ve cut everything.

I’ve always thought a deterrent was to stop other people doing it. Like if you get banned for a year for driving at 100 mls an hour, there are always some who risk it but probably 99.9% don’t.

 

[Saf]

I see Truss is refusing to windfall tax energy companies. Pretty much congratulating them for their profits. The Tories are desperately out of touch with real life for many people. Even Sunak is only talking about helping the poorest. As a single parent I’m already thinking Christmas will be a write off this year and maybe worse.

I really hope we get Sunak. Definitely lesser of the two evils.

Sunak seems to have a socialist side to him, imo. I was surprised how far he went during the pandemic. You wouldn't normally expect that from the Conservative party.

 

[Pure River Slut]

I’ve always thought a deterrent was to stop other people doing it. Like if you get banned for a year for driving at 100 mls an hour, there are always some who risk it but probably 99.9% don’t.

If you don’t have police and cameras people would still do it and many don’t cos they might kill someone or die themselves. If deterrents worked there’d be no crime. Deterrents / sentences have increased on carrying knives but more kids do it now than ever before. When a local kid gets killed and policing increases it reduces.

 

[rooch 3]

If you don’t have police and cameras people would still do it and many don’t cos they might kill someone or die themselves. If deterrents worked there’d be no crime. Deterrents / sentences have increased on carrying knives but more kids do it now than ever before. When a local kid gets killed and policing increases it reduces.

Sorry, don’t agree with that, I think they work, or more people on the borderline of doing it, don’t, because of the deterrent.

 

[Pure River Slut]

I really hope we get Sunak. Definitely lesser of the two evils.

Sunak seems to have a socialist side to him, imo. I was surprised how far he went during the pandemic. You wouldn't normally expect that from the Conservative party.

Well I generally agree he’s the lesser of the two evils and I think he shows more empathy to the poor but it’s a funny socialist who boasts about redistributing wealth from deprived urban areas to those with the highest wealth. I find it bizarre that any human would get excited about taking money away from the deprived. Admittedly reducing personal tax does pretty much the same - or at least it widens the gap so Truss is no better. But aye I’d taking Sunak ahead of that horrible opportunist cow.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Sorry, don’t agree with that, I think they work, or more people on the borderline of doing it, don’t, because of the deterrent.

The reason they put people on speeding courses is that it’s based on a cognitive behavioural offending reduction approach. If we teach people to understand risk harm and consequence and increase the likelihood of detection people stop. There’s loads on it but here’s an example of some evidence https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-deterrence
Harsher sentences are largely government gimmicks. The only thing they do achieve is keeping people away from offending in the community for longer they don’t change decisions. Maybe in those that were unlikely to do it anyway.

 

[gelders pie]

The reason they put people on speeding courses is that it’s based on a cognitive behavioural offending reduction approach. If we teach people to understand risk harm and consequence and increase the likelihood of detection people stop. There’s loads on it but here’s an example of some evidence https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-deterrence
Harsher sentences are largely government gimmicks. The only thing they do achieve is keeping people away from offending in the community for longer they don’t change decisions. Maybe in those that were unlikely to do it anyway.

I think we have lost forever a great deterrent. Old fashioned community. When so many more adults knew each other locally, through attending pubs at the same time( because of limited hours) , more working locally in industry, and when church going was strong, then kids behaved because they had no idea which adults might know their parents - parents who would reprimand them. Good kids then grew up as good adults.

 

[Pure River Slut]

I think we have lost forever a great deterrent. Old fashioned community. When so many more adults knew each other locally, through attending pubs at the same time( because of limited hours) , more working locally in industry, and when church going was strong, then kids behaved because they had no idea which adults might know their parents - parents who would reprimand them. Good kids then grew up as good adults.

Totally agree, I always say about criminal exploitation. Their worst nightmare is an organised community with eyes and a telephone.

 

[vic9]

I think we have lost forever a great deterrent. Old fashioned community. When so many more adults knew each other locally, through attending pubs at the same time( because of limited hours) , more working locally in industry, and when church going was strong, then kids behaved because they had no idea which adults might know their parents - parents who would reprimand them. Good kids then grew up as good adults.

Good post marra