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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Eventually we’ll run out of things to blame and just have to accept we’ve cut a hand off to save on gloves. IMO. Not that any of the protagonists will be accountable.

Ok, that's your prediction. But given the tumult the world, particularly Europe has experienced, and is still experiencing, Brexit cannot reasonably be judged yet. Not nearly.
 
Ok, that's your prediction. But given the tumult the world, particularly Europe has experienced, and is still experiencing, Brexit cannot reasonably be judged yet. Not nearly.

That’s fair. I also think it’s fair to say there’s nothing logical to suggest it can benefit us economically, hence my earlier question which you didn’t actually answer.
 
That’s fair. I also think it’s fair to say there’s nothing logical to suggest it can benefit us economically, hence my earlier question which you didn’t actually answer.

If Brexit is done properly, when stormy waters have calmed, it can most definitely benefit the UK economically, given that economic growth areas it can take advantage of are largely in India and other Far Eastern countries like Singapore, Indonesia, Phillippines, Malaysia, Pakistan (I exclude China because of political uncertainties).

Compare that with the EU which is pretty stagnant, and will take on more liabilities when countries such as Albania and Ukraine join (Note - the UK should, and I'm sure will, contribute to Ukraine's regeneration once the war is over).

Of course, Brexit advantages are more than merely economic, taking back control of important areas like immigration from Brussels and giving it back to Westminster.
 
If Brexit is done properly, when stormy waters have calmed, it can most definitely benefit the UK economically, given that economic growth areas it can take advantage of are largely in India and other Far Eastern countries like Singapore, Indonesia, Phillippines, Malaysia, Pakistan (I exclude China because of political uncertainties).

Compare that with the EU which is pretty stagnant, and will take on more liabilities when countries such as Albania and Ukraine join (Note - the UK should, and I'm sure will, contribute to Ukraine's regeneration once the war is over).

Of course, Brexit advantages are more than merely economic, taking back control of important areas like immigration from Brussels and giving it back to Westminster.

You’ll forgive me for thinking this comes across as waffly hopeful nonsense rather than being based on anything realistic like an OECD forecast.
 
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You’ll forgive me for thinking this comes across as waffly hopeful nonsense rather than being based on anything realistic like an OECD forecast.

Here's the Guardian on it:

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...or-economy-worst-hit-by-ukraine-war-says-oecd

Not a mention of Brexit. The UK had the fastest growth in the G7 last year and record low unemployment .

The OECD's latest forecast for the UK is for 12 months only. Any government that does not base its economic strategy on more than a 12 months projection is criminally negligent.
 
Reasons why criticism of Brexit is always, definitely, wrong:
  • Too early to judge
  • Impossible to judge because of all the other **** that’s going on
  • What about other countries not doing so well, eh? (Even if they are still doing better than the U.K.)
  • Enemies within undermining the shining glory of Brexit. ****ing Starmer saying he won’t do anything to challenge Brexit - yeah, like we believe that!
  • Enemies without, especially those pesky ‘difficult’ French, undermining the shining glory of Brexit
  • Still too early to judge
  • Never promised economic benefits, it was all about ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders
  • Never promised that we would see benefits from ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders in the short term. Or the medium term. Perhaps in geological or evolutionary terms…..
  • Look, for ****s sake, it’s too early to judge. There’s a ****ing war on you know!
  • If we haven’t seen benefits it’s because Brexit isn’t being done properly.
  • The Irish issues are all because the EU is trying to undermine the shining glory of Brexit. Nothing to do with the U.K. government reneging on the deal it cobbled together to be able to say ‘we got Brexit done!’ Only traitors think that.
  • Just wait til we get these trade deals in place. You’ll notice the difference then. Probably.
  • A majority voted for it, and the majority is always right.
  • Just shut up. We may NEVER see economic benefits from Brexit. Or social, cultural or political benefits. But that was never the point. Understand?
  • What do you mean ‘what was the point then?’ You some kind of pinko Johnny Foreigner loving traitor?
Apologies, couldn’t resist. Personally, in the ‘I’m alright Jack’ country in which we reside, er, I’m alright Jack. The EU is a decent liberal capitalist concept (not that I would call myself a liberal capitalist, let alone decent) but with a nightmare implementation, it’s very difficult to defend. There were some personal benefits to me from being members, but I won’t suffer to the extent some others will with leaving. I just find the quasi religious fervour surrounding the debate, the cries of blasphemy and sacrilege, funny. For a bit, before they get depressing.
 
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Here's the Guardian on it:

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...or-economy-worst-hit-by-ukraine-war-says-oecd

Not a mention of Brexit. The UK had the fastest growth in the G7 last year and record low unemployment .

The OECD's latest forecast for the UK is for 12 months only. Any government that does not base its economic strategy on more than a 12 months projection is criminally negligent.

You have a lot more faith in them than I do if you think they’re looking more than 12 hours ahead.

We had the strongest growth on the back of the heaviest decline, as you know.
 
Reasons why criticism of Brexit is always, definitely, wrong:
  • Too early to judge
  • Impossible to judge because of all the other **** that’s going on
  • What about other countries not doing so well, eh? (Even if they are still doing better than the U.K.)
  • Enemies within undermining the shining glory of Brexit. ****ing Starmer saying he won’t do anything to challenge Brexit - yeah, like we believe that!
  • Enemies without, especially those pesky ‘difficult’ French, undermining the shining glory of Brexit
  • Still too early to judge
  • Never promised economic benefits, it was all about ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders
  • Never promised that we would see benefits from ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders in the short term. Or the medium term. Perhaps in geological or evolutionary terms…..
  • Look, for ****s sake, it’s too early to judge. There’s a ****ing war on you know!
  • If we haven’t seen benefits it’s because Brexit isn’t being done properly.
  • The Irish issues are all because the EU is trying to undermine the shining glory of Brexit. Nothing to do with the U.K. government reneging on the deal it cobbled together to be able to say ‘we got Brexit done!’ Only traitors think that.
  • Just wait til we get these trade deals in place. You’ll notice the difference then. Probably.
  • A majority voted for it, and the majority is always right.
  • Just shut up. We may NEVER see economic benefits from Brexit. Or social, cultural or political benefits. But that was never the point. Understand?
  • What do you mean ‘what was the point then?’ You some kind of pinko Johnny Foreigner loving traitor?
Apologies, couldn’t resist. Personally, in the ‘I’m alright Jack’ country in which we reside, er, I’m alright Jack. The EU is a decent liberal capitalist concept (not that I would call myself a liberal capitalist)but with a nightmare implementation, it’s very difficult to defend. There were some personal benefits to me from being members, but I won’t suffer to the extent some others will with leaving. I just find the quasi religious fervour surrounding the debate, the cries of blasphemy and sacrilege, funny. For a bit, before they get depressing.

Mostly true. :biggrin:

The quasi religious fervour is just as strong on both sides of the argument.
 
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Reasons why criticism of Brexit is always, definitely, wrong:
  • Too early to judge
  • Impossible to judge because of all the other **** that’s going on
  • What about other countries not doing so well, eh? (Even if they are still doing better than the U.K.)
  • Enemies within undermining the shining glory of Brexit. ****ing Starmer saying he won’t do anything to challenge Brexit - yeah, like we believe that!
  • Enemies without, especially those pesky ‘difficult’ French, undermining the shining glory of Brexit
  • Still too early to judge
  • Never promised economic benefits, it was all about ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders
  • Never promised that we would see benefits from ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders in the short term. Or the medium term. Perhaps in geological or evolutionary terms…..
  • Look, for ****s sake, it’s too early to judge. There’s a ****ing war on you know!
  • If we haven’t seen benefits it’s because Brexit isn’t being done properly.
  • The Irish issues are all because the EU is trying to undermine the shining glory of Brexit. Nothing to do with the U.K. government reneging on the deal it cobbled together to be able to say ‘we got Brexit done!’ Only traitors think that.
  • Just wait til we get these trade deals in place. You’ll notice the difference then. Probably.
  • A majority voted for it, and the majority is always right.
  • Just shut up. We may NEVER see economic benefits from Brexit. Or social, cultural or political benefits. But that was never the point. Understand?
  • What do you mean ‘what was the point then?’ You some kind of pinko Johnny Foreigner loving traitor?
Apologies, couldn’t resist. Personally, in the ‘I’m alright Jack’ country in which we reside, er, I’m alright Jack. The EU is a decent liberal capitalist concept (not that I would call myself a liberal capitalist)but with a nightmare implementation, it’s very difficult to defend. There were some personal benefits to me from being members, but I won’t suffer to the extent some others will with leaving. I just find the quasi religious fervour surrounding the debate, the cries of blasphemy and sacrilege, funny. For a bit, before they get depressing.

Yes, some truth, either way you look at it.
 
Reasons why criticism of Brexit is always, definitely, wrong:
  • Too early to judge
  • Impossible to judge because of all the other **** that’s going on
  • What about other countries not doing so well, eh? (Even if they are still doing better than the U.K.)
  • Enemies within undermining the shining glory of Brexit. ****ing Starmer saying he won’t do anything to challenge Brexit - yeah, like we believe that!
  • Enemies without, especially those pesky ‘difficult’ French, undermining the shining glory of Brexit
  • Still too early to judge
  • Never promised economic benefits, it was all about ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders
  • Never promised that we would see benefits from ‘taking back control’ of our laws and borders in the short term. Or the medium term. Perhaps in geological or evolutionary terms…..
  • Look, for ****s sake, it’s too early to judge. There’s a ****ing war on you know!
  • If we haven’t seen benefits it’s because Brexit isn’t being done properly.
  • The Irish issues are all because the EU is trying to undermine the shining glory of Brexit. Nothing to do with the U.K. government reneging on the deal it cobbled together to be able to say ‘we got Brexit done!’ Only traitors think that.
  • Just wait til we get these trade deals in place. You’ll notice the difference then. Probably.
  • A majority voted for it, and the majority is always right.
  • Just shut up. We may NEVER see economic benefits from Brexit. Or social, cultural or political benefits. But that was never the point. Understand?
  • What do you mean ‘what was the point then?’ You some kind of pinko Johnny Foreigner loving traitor?
Apologies, couldn’t resist. Personally, in the ‘I’m alright Jack’ country in which we reside, er, I’m alright Jack. The EU is a decent liberal capitalist concept (not that I would call myself a liberal capitalist)but with a nightmare implementation, it’s very difficult to defend. There were some personal benefits to me from being members, but I won’t suffer to the extent some others will with leaving. I just find the quasi religious fervour surrounding the debate, the cries of blasphemy and sacrilege, funny. For a bit, before they get depressing.

Does brexit still mean brexit? has it decided on a colour scheme? Is it really oven ready or will it need defrosting?
 
Does brexit still mean brexit? has it decided on a colour scheme? Is it really oven ready or will it need defrosting?
Don’t know about the colour scheme but I did witness a new British blue passport disintegrate at border control as it’s owner tried to scan it last week. Cover fell off and the bindings which held the pages together gave way…..

….now, I don’t know how badly this passport had been treated by it’s owner, but if I were inclined to conspiracy theories I might speculate that the Franco-Dutch company which won the contract to make the new British passports (they are made in Poland) had been encouraged by Macron to sabotage them……of course, when we had the Burgundy coloured documents they were made by De La Rue in Gateshead. Pre Brexit.
 
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See them rats diving over the side! Only the ones with no hope of a job with any other PM or party leader will cling on……