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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    You want to vote for Tobias Elwood if joining the single market is your thing.
     
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  2. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Germany records its first monthly deficit since 1991 due to rising costs of imports including energy and weakened demand for their products.

    ****ing Brexit again...
     
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  3. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    No one in the Labour or LibDem parties anyway
     
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  4. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

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    Just none of them at all. The previously ardent Remainers including the Prime Minister are more than happy to use it as an opportunity to climb up the greasy pole but they all know it’s an incredibly expensive dud. Damage limitation is the best we can hope for.
     
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  5. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Since Brexit was voted in, we've had a worldwide pandemic and now the biggest war in Europe since 1945 which may lead to a worldwide recession. Work on gaining the benefit from Brexit has barely begun, meanwhile the EU members, including France and Germany, are struggling hugely both politically and economically.

    If you want to campaign for rejoining the EU, why not add bringing back the Corn Laws at the same time?
     
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  6. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    The UK just recorded its biggest deficit since records began. It's no good just picking out random statistics from other countries and pretending that everyone's in the same boat. On every measure we are worse off than other major economies and yes, it's because of Brexit.
     
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  7. Star of David Bardsley

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    Who cares what Germany or France are doing (ignoring our own tanked economy and inflation)? We’re out.

    Rejoining isn’t feasible and there’s nothing the government would love more than a challenge on that front. Our best hope, and it’s still a **** one, is to get the Tories out and work towards some sort of softer Brexit than the gammon-pandering one we’ve gone for so far.
     
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  8. Stroller

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    If he became leader of the Tories I just might.

    Otherwise I'm voting Plaid Cymru.
     
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  9. Goldhawk-Road

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    Evidence?
     
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  10. Goldhawk-Road

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    It matters because Remainers say the UK has fallen behind major EU competitors because of Brexit. Not true. The main players in the EU are suffering equally.

    You can bang on about gammons as much as you like if it makes you feel better. The electorate knows Labour will go for the vassal state Brexit, which is why they won't win the next GE.
     
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  11. Stroller

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  13. Stroller

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    Do you read the Mail, or the Express, or the Telegraph? Do you watch GBeebies?

    How about the Times?

    Current account deficit at record high as exports fall | Business | The Times
     
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  14. Goldhawk-Road

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    Yes, let's quote the Times article:

    "The Office for National Statistics warned that the figures were subject to uncertainty after changes to the way the value of imports from the European Union and foreign direct investment were calculated.

    The ONS recommended caution in judging the first quarter figures. “Users should be cautious when interpreting first quarter 2022 balance of payments statistics.” "
     
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  15. Stroller

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    Of course, we mustn't take note of predictions, or even actual statistics. Presumably the same caution should be applied to the German statistics that you gleefully quoted.
     
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  16. Goldhawk-Road

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    If the same caveat applies to the German statistics, may be you can point it out.

    All European economies are suffering as a result of circumstances in the last 4 or 5 years. You cannot credibly just single out the UK and ignore the others.
     
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    Do you really think Brexit will turn out to have a positive impact on the economy? I get there are other reasons to cheer for it, but purely economically?
     
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    The fact is, whilst others are indeed suffering due to Covid, the UK is worse off because we have the Brexit impact on top. It's plain to everyone but those that will not see.

    Ask the Governor of the Bank of England (reported in a hopefully acceptable media outlet).....

    Brexit: Bank of England blasts quitting EU over economy - despite war | Politics | News | Express.co.uk
     
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  19. Goldhawk-Road

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    The UK cannot leave an institution that it has been in for 40 odd years, face a worldwide pandemic, a hugely significant war in Europe and an impending worldwide recession - to say nothing of the ill-will from some EU states like France which go out of their way to be difficult - and see benefits from Day 1.

    This is what Starmer and Blair are realising. Blair says nothing will change in a generation and he's right. Hopefully, during that time, the worldwide storms will abate. Brexit will then be given a chance to bed-in.
     
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  20. Star of David Bardsley

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    Eventually we’ll run out of things to blame and just have to accept we’ve cut a hand off to save on gloves. IMO. Not that any of the protagonists will be accountable.
     
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