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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

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    • Mick Lynch is my new hero
     
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  3. Osvaldorama

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    Germany have just hit “alert level” on their gas supplies and accused Russia of using gas supplies as a weapon…

    This is where the fun begins.

    I’ve been trying to warn everyone for years that stupid green policies are going to lead to an energy crisis. Everyone called me mad. But here we are
     
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  4. Gregm1988

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    The Green policies in and of themselves aren’t the issue here surely. It is the over reliance on Russian oil and gas - which is not exactly a Green policy

    Of course the green one would be switching off their nuclear?
     
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    Exactly. Little bit of gaslighting by Os there! "Let's blame 'green policies' rather than the fact Putin has invaded another country, and countries are over-reliant on a rogue state.
     
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  6. Osvaldorama

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    Not gaslighting at all. We in the West have been replacing our energy sources with inferior alternatives at the behest of inept politicians.

    This means that when the system is placed under stress it fails.

    This is the obvious conclusion. If it wasn’t Russia it would be something else. When you undermine the very things that help run society, you can’t be surprised when society breaks
     
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  8. San Tejón

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    Can’t prove this is from a railway worker, as claimed, but if it is it shines a little more light on why the strikes are happening.


    “From someone who works on the railways...

    Three years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise, two years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise. But this year they came to us with a 0% pay rise plus over 2500 redundancies, changes to terms and conditions. An increase from 28 weeks of nights to 39 weeks of nights. An increase from 32 weekends worked to 39 weekends worked.

    Currently for a night shift we get time and a quarter, for a weekend turn we get time and a half. They wish to cut both of these to time and a tenth. So that’s a 15% pay cut on every night shift and a 40% pay cut on every weekend turn. But they want us to work more of them. This is their modernisation they talk about. Not technology, we embrace technology and have seen more and more of it in recent years. They also wish to fire and re-hire the operative grades and bring them back under a new job title but on £9000 a year less. They also want them to use their own vehicles to get to work sites, this when fuel is at its highest. They will also be pooled when currently they are part of the team. The press are painting this to be about pay above all else. It is not. But now we’ve said sod them we are going to demand better. I wish everyone could see past the government controlled media smear.”
     
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  9. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    These are those r
    These are those raised employment standards promised post Brexit. Don't people understand anything.
     
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  10. Gregm1988

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    Time and a tenth. That is just a slap in the face surely. That is a close as they could get to not paying any extra for unsociable hours. Takes the piss really
     
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  11. San Tejón

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    A lot of companies already get away with it.
    Many pay flat rate for bank holidays and Sundays have long since lost their special status, especially in retail.
    Many moons ago, (1990s) when I was middle management with Sainsburys, Sunday work was double time, which became time and a half, which then became a set additional payment (less than time and a half). Don’t know what it is these days but I would be genuinely surprised if it was above flat rate.
     
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  12. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    I am sick to death of privilege, greed and inequality as well as seeing the shame of homelessness while so many have more than one home. I am appalled at the number of people sleeping rough and others who are only able to survive with in work benefits and food banks. This is an appalling indictment of the policies of successive Tory governments and yet the stupid thick bastards keeping voting for them. Every person who has voted for Johnson and his cronies must accept full responsibility for the shambolic disgrace our country has become.
     
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    Merseyrail vote to accept a 7.1% pay rise, negotiated by RMT. I think I also heard, in one of the many Mick Lynch interviews, that a Welsh rail company is settling for a similar deal.
    As the piece points out Merseyrail don’t have to work with the Department of Transport or Grant Schapps, and appears to prove RMT’s claim that the government is deliberately hampering talks for political reasons.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/new...sqUOQaX5yj6tWKTzjQrJDDRj91VOG6sEP8o&fs=e&s=cl
     
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  14. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    Did you know that Johnson's Turkish great grandfather was lynched by the Turks and to this day he is detested in Turkey and considered to be a traitor. He opposed Atta Turk in his fight to free Turkey from British control. They loathe him and see the British PM as being of the same treacherous ilk.
     
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  15. Osvaldorama

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    The decimation and fall of unions is terrible for everyone. Once again there is a concerted media effort to twist and turn and present most unions and strikes in the way that their oligarch owners wish.

    Good on the Union and I hope they win. These corporations are so greedy. All of those changes whilst raking in record breaking profits and bonuses is truly despicable
     
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  16. San Tejón

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    I wonder if the miners union, back in the 70s, had been led by a calm, eloquent and informed man, such as Lynch, instead of Scargill, the result of those strikes and the subsequent destruction of unions and trade union laws might have been different.
    Scargill seemed to be universally hated, from what my memory tells me, which made Thatcher’s (spit) aim of destroying unions simpler.
     
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    My son works in a care home. Sundays and Bank Holidays are flat-rate but he does get time and a half on Xmas Day!
     
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    I have a cousin who has worked in care homes as long as I can remember.

    She says pay is now pathetic .
     
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    I liked your post , but not because I LIKED it if that makes sense .
     
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  20. ChilcoSaint

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    The ones owned by charities tend to have much better pay and conditions than the privately owned and corporate ones.
     
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