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Treble said:
I really don't think so tbh.

The problems at United go way beyond the manager. Lack of modernisation in terms of the DOF, and Chief Exec who was great at the marketing at the expense of the football itself. This is a widely known.
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DoF was one thing we were crying out for for years. Levy is generally a great businessman but a terrible football man, we hadn’t made a truly game changing signing since the summer we signed Son and Alderweireld which was about 6 years ago. This season Paratici’s signed 3 in Romero, Bentancur and Kulusevski whilst he’s also nabbed top prospects in Gil and Sarr who a lot of fans are excited for the future. Emerson’s been the only signing many would say is an outright flop due to costing £22m but that’s not down to actually being a bad player, he’s just bad for Conte’s system (was signed for Nuno), he’s a defensive RB not a marauding RWB, linked with Atleti in recent weeks which’ll suit him to a tee and we’ll probably get all/ most our money back.

Will be interesting to see how Ralf does in the DoF role going forward, managing definitely ain’t for him but you’d like to think he’ll spot a few players for ten Hag whilst improving the footballing structure at the club, he surely can’t be worse than Woodward anyway.
 
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luvgonzo said:
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So now add Utd players into those formations and you can see there's a tough job for the next manager.
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only a few positions in the United team that need tweaking..enough money in the summer for that imo. Then they do have a team to match both them teams imo.

attitude wise

Not too sure
 
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Spurlock said:
only a few positions in the United team that need tweaking..enough money in the summer for that imo. Then they do have a team to match both them teams imo.

attitude wise

Not too sure
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If I try to stop enjoying this for a moment I do realise that if the manager comes in and can get the players playing them some of those who are not looking good right now will improve. In the 4231 for example they could play...

Fernandez DVB Sancho
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Get a good forward and there could be some good link up play and rotation.

Same behind that 3, buy 1 good holding player with experience and a voice and he'll protect the back 4 and maybe bring Mctominay on as a player.

The back 4 is ****ed though complete overhaul needed there other than Varane, Wan Bissaka is a decent player when left to defend but once again Ten Haag likes attacking full backs.

If Dea Gea is in a good team he'll improve again.

There's a few decent youngsters in Elanga, Garancha and that hairy ****er that came on and decided to run and kick everyone.
 
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luvgonzo said:
If I try to stop enjoying this for a moment I do realise that if the manager comes in and can get the players playing them some of those who are not looking good right now will improve. In the 4231 for example they could play...

Fernandez DVB Sancho
?

Get a good forward and there could be some good link up play and rotation.

Same behind that 3 buy 1 good holding player with experience and a voice and he'll protect the back 4 and maybe bring Mctominay on as a player.

The back 4 is ****ed though complete overhaul needed there, Wan Bissaka is a decent player when left to defend but once again Ten Haag likes attacking full backs.
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They got Varane…injured for now….just need another expensive cb next to him and they good to go.

Reckon they will go for De Ligt in summer…Ten Hag link…can see it happening…his Juve team are dogshit…just like United I suppose but I can see him buying into a Ten Hag project…he was at his best under him at Ajax imo.
 
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Spurlock said:
They got Varane…injured for now….just need another expensive cb next to him and they good to go.

Reckon they will go for De Ligt in summer…Ten Hag link…can see it happening…his Juve team are dogshit…just like United I suppose but I can see him buying into a Ten Hag project…he was at his best under him at Ajax imo.
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That would make sense and getting Gravenberch from Ajax would also make sense. It's a big overhaul CB, 2 full backs, DM, FWD. Not going to be cheap.
 
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luvgonzo said:
That would make sense and getting Gravenberch from Ajax would also make sense. It's a big overhaul CB, 2 full backs, DM, FWD. Not going to be cheap.
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I don't think we need two full backs. With Shaw, AWB, Telles, Dalot, Laird and Williams, he can find two that will fit into what he needs.

We do need a centre forward, 100%

We alse need centre half (De Ligt would be brilliant, but unlikely), and that Jones, Bailly and (my opinion) Lindelof leave. Maguire and Varane stay, with Tuanzebe and Mengi come back into the reserves.

Midfield, we need one alongside Fred. Garner can come back into the squad. Pogba, Lingard, Matic, Mata all leave. Hannibal in there as well.

McTominay is subsitute at best, so someone of the highest quality like Rice is required. Again, unlikely, so they need to find a foreign import who is as good as they can get and cheaper.

New keeper too, Henderson, Grant and Heaton should leave. Maybe keep Heaton as 3rd choice.



It's really not that bad as people make out, the most important thing is who leaves. Then three or even four top drawer signings. Not shirt selling dancers, players.
 
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Dier Hard said:
DoF was one thing we were crying out for for years. Levy is generally a great businessman but a terrible football man, we hadn’t made a truly game changing signing since the summer we signed Son and Alderweireld which was about 6 years ago. This season Paratici’s signed 3 in Romero, Bentancur and Kulusevski whilst he’s also nabbed top prospects in Gil and Sarr who a lot of fans are excited for the future. Emerson’s been the only signing many would say is an outright flop due to costing £22m but that’s not down to actually being a bad player, he’s just bad for Conte’s system (was signed for Nuno), he’s a defensive RB not a marauding RWB, linked with Atleti in recent weeks which’ll suit him to a tee and we’ll probably get all/ most our money back.

Will be interesting to see how Ralf does in the DoF role going forward, managing definitely ain’t for him but you’d like to think he’ll spot a few players for ten Hag whilst improving the footballing structure at the club, he surely can’t be worse than Woodward anyway.
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Murtough is the DOF but from what I've read (and heard from the tealady at Carrington) recruitment will very much be a joint effort involving Murtough, Ralf and Ten Hag.
 
Chief said:
Yeah, if he'd stuck with the actual wing backs in Dalot and Telles, on the correct side of the pitch, and played wan Bissaka as one of the three instead of Jones, there's no way it would have been as shambolic as it was.

Pogba should never start a game for us again after Saturday, let alone a match of this magnitude. He showed absolutely everything about himself by bottling it within ten minutes and faking injury.

I'm half in the mind to give Rangnick the benefit of the doubt that in playing Pogba and Lingard (and Jones to an extent) just to prove that these people have to exit the club in a few weeks time. A few of his selections were inexplicable otherwise.

When Pogba and Lingard go, they can take their stupid dancing partner Rashford with them for me as well, that's a permanently busted flush if ever I've seen one.

Not that he's danced, or even smiled, for a good while.
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Staggered by the demise of Rashford. I would literally prefer Origi atm. If you'd have asked three years ago, I'd have said Martial and Rashford were your two players who'd ideally suit playing for Klopp. Just have no idea how good players can deteriorate that much. Form, yes - it can come and go. But this looks like they've actually lost their basic abilities. Perplexing.
 
Chief said:
Didn't see the fourth goal as I turned off and read a book after the third.

The third goal I did see; Lindelof lumped the ball straight to an opponent who simply recycled it forward and the ball was in the net after another couple of seconds.

Point is, Maguire gets blamed for everything when Lindelof gets away with too much. Lindelof isn't good enough. Maguire, with Varane alongside, is, just about.

It's not really Maguire's fault he's be lumped with the captaincy either, this idea he should be a leader of some sort. He'd be better off taken out of the limelight to concentrate on his job. Give that to someone else, he's obviously not comfortable with it.
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Never got Lidelof. Reminds me of Skrtel and Lovren, to an extent - so easily bullied, physically and mentally. He's good on the ball when there's no pressure around. No bottle at all in adversity. As for Maguire - he's solid in the air, but no more so than Nat Phillips. Indeed, he looks like a poor man's Dawson atm.
 
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Everton at home to Leicester... After seeing how poor Leicester are at St James park I have no doubt Everton will do them too.
 
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Paul don't mind if you hate him this week or love him next cos both weeks he's getting paid<whistle>
 
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